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brock ratcliff

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It seems we are worried about the ODOW changing the right regulations to allow the herd to rebound. Really, that doesn't bother me as of yet. Obviously they know how to manipulate the harvest for reduction and growth. My concern is will they recognize that they have met the "minimum allowable by hunters".

Its amazing to me how quickly other portions of the state have seen an apparent sharp decline. I recall having this conversation with Milo just season before last. He mentioned that they still had plenty of deer in his area then. After a few early morning drives up 71 through that part of the country I agreed. In fact I told him how nice it was to drive up the interstate and actually see a few deer out feeding. There is no point in going for an early morning or late evening drive to see deer around here anymore, and it sounds like it may be the same in a lot of places now. Sad really.
 

finelyshedded

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When I drive to my hometown area to visit my family in the Morgan/Washington county area I head up I-71 out of the northern Cincy area to C-bus then take I-70 to Zanesville. From there it's St.rt. 60 most of the way and the whole trip covers 189 miles or so and takes me around 3 to 3.25 hours to drive it. I've been doing this since 1990. I use to see alot of deer in those days and nearly throughout the entire trip but that was until about 4-5 years ago. Since then it's rare if I even see 1 deer and usually don't see any.....no matter what time of the day or night it is. My head is on a swivel TOO.

Just my observations.
 

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When I drive to my hometown area to visit my family in the Morgan/Washington county area I head up I-71 out of the northern Cincy area to C-bus then take I-70 to Zanesville. From there it's St.rt. 60 most of the way and the whole trip covers 189 miles or so and takes me around 3 to 3.25 hours to drive it. I've been doing this since 1990. I use to see alot of deer in those days and nearly throughout the entire trip but that was until about 4-5 years ago. Since then it's rare if I even see 1 deer and usually don't see any.....no matter what time of the day or night it is. My head is on a swivel TOO.

Just my observations.

I drive 97 miles round trip daily with 80 of it being on I-70.. Been doing it for 3.5 years. I know every field along 70 between here and columbus. Same thing buddy. Not only have I seen less and less deer on my drive; but also less roadkill durring the rut. That's almost 500 miles a week.
 

Darron

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I drive 97 miles round trip daily with 80 of it being on I-70.. Been doing it for 3.5 years. I know every field along 70 between here and columbus. Same thing buddy. Not only have I seen less and less deer on my drive; but also less roadkill durring the rut. That's almost 500 miles a week.

Go on ohiowaterfowler.com and post your observations. According to most members on there the deer pop is better than it has ever been LOL
 

Jackalope

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Go on ohiowaterfowler.com and post your observations. According to most members on there the deer pop is better than it has ever been LOL

Did you tell them deer don't fly... I think they may be confused between deer and geese. lmao
 

brock ratcliff

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That is where the problem is. In some areas, I'm sure there are still plenty of deer. The folks in those areas think those of us that are hunting depleted areas are nuts, or have simply forgotten how to hunt. I'm sure Tonk is now hearing both sides of the story.
 

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That is where the problem is. In some areas, I'm sure there are still plenty of deer. The folks in those areas think those of us that are hunting depleted areas are nuts, or have simply forgotten how to hunt. I'm sure Tonk is now hearing both sides of the story.


Well like you said.. A person who was seeing 10 deer a day is is now seeing 5 may think there is probably still plenty of deer... When in reality they have a 50% reduction...

I also think many don't notice because they hunt over feeders, bait etc. A very common tactic of guys who aren't ate up with hunting like we are. The shoot the first deer that walks in and don't sit waiting and watching deer like we do all day.
 

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Had a good talk with the game warden today. I asked him if he has had any complaints about the deer population decreasing and he told me the opposite... He has had numerous people tell him with how good and healthy the deer herd looks and that they are happy with the deer they are seeing. So it sounds to me that you better make YOUR voice heard or things are not gonna change...
 

hickslawns

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I agree JD. Last year I asked our game warden his thoughts when they increased our limit. He said we are loaded with deer and it was needed. My buddy hunts with him and shares some properties. Last year they were seeing 60+ deer yarded up together in the late season. Talked to my buddy this week and he said he was lucky to see deer. I am not sure what to make of this one. I figure a lot of it has to do with crop rotation in his area. It will be interesting to see what our local WO thinks of the increased harvest limits now. Maybe it will be different for them in the late season. Keep in mind, they are on the north end of the county and I am on the south end. Totally different picture I am seeing than what he was seeing last year. My buddy and I sunk thousands of dollars into equipment, seed, fertilizer, and property to see the deer we have seen this year. Thankfully, most of my share was just labor. On EVERY other property I have to hunt, I have been skunked this year. Trail camera pictures are down and the pictures we have are all night time pics.

I think it is time to chat with our WO again. Thanks for the reminder.
 

Jackalope

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Not surprising JD, look who signs their paychecks. Who has their email address, and who sends them memos.
 

finelyshedded

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I figured a GW would say that! Nearly all of them hunt and lock up land exclusively where hunting was off limits for long periods of time. Sure they see alot! I guarantee not one of them hunt public land or spend much time hunting them. I'm here to tell ya like it's been mentioned throughout this thread, some areas are down BIGTIME!
 

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Just got off the phone with a landowner I have dealt with for over a year now in WV and we've become pretty good acquaintances in the process. He hunts in the Woodsfield area and says the numbers are WAY in his area. He was telling me that a neighbor to the property he hunts raises deer and was pissed when he received his survey in the mail regarding the new early season. Apparently most of the locals in that area are seeing a lot less deer. He said the farm he hunts 75% of the time over there is nearly void of does after years of great numbers. In his first 13 sits there this year, he did not see a single deer and rarely had pictures of does. And this is a guy with one hell of a trophy room, so its not like he doesn't now how to hunt/kill deer...
 

Jackalope

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Just got off the phone with a landowner I have dealt with for over a year now in WV and we've become pretty good acquaintances in the process. He hunts in the Woodsfield area and says the numbers are WAY in his area. He was telling me that a neighbor to the property he hunts raises deer and was pissed when he received his survey in the mail regarding the new early season. Apparently most of the locals in that area are seeing a lot less deer. He said the farm he hunts 75% of the time over there is nearly void of does after years of great numbers. In his first 13 sits there this year, he did not see a single deer and rarely had pictures of does. And this is a guy with one hell of a trophy room, so its not like he doesn't now how to hunt/kill deer...

That can't be right.... This is all a figment of the imagination of a very small group of armchair internet hunters.
 

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Here's an article from this morning's Columbus Dispatch... The first portion of the article is regarding the controlled archery hunt in Gahanna (I'm sure we would all agree we need more of these programs around the state), the middle portion touches on the huge amount of money that hunters & fishermen contribute to the DOW, and the last portion of the article is related to the shrinking harvest numbers. It looks like besides acorn production, and bad weather, there are now additional explanations for the decrease in deer harvest numbers (see the bullet points at the bottom if you just want to get to the good stuff). Maybe I'm reading too much into this but it seems like they're throwing everything out there to explain this trend away, other than taking accountability, and admitting there is a problem that needs addressed. They even elude to the possibility that the new check system could be a factor in the decline! What?!?(Insert Chris Carter voice here) C'mon man!!

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/sports/2011/12/18/reading-numbers-difficult.html

By Dave Golowenski

For The Columbus Dispatch Sunday December 18, 2011 6:23 AM

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If Ohio’s total deer harvest doesn’t quite live up to past results, when the bonus weekend closes the shotgun stage at sunset today, know that in Gahanna hunters are having a pretty good year.

“For the first time ever, our hunters have killed more deer than have our vehicles this season,” Gahanna Chief of Police Dennis Murphy said last week.

About two decades ago, when the city had far less developed land than it does today, former Mayor Jim McGregor instituted a bow-hunting program to cull the burgeoning herd, a program nurtured and expanded by Murphy since.

This season is stacking up as arguably the most successful, given that it’s an indicator Gahanna possibly has turned some kind of corner in its urban deer-management efforts. Although with deer having the approximate mating success of chinchillas, any easing on the bowstring from year to year could lead to a quick U-turn in numbers.

Hunters, led by resident Rick Harter with eight, by last week had pruned 46 whitetails — 30 does and 16 bucks from public and private land, and vehicles had taken out 17 deer from the streets. The archery campaign continues through Feb. 5, same as the state season.

A year ago, more in line with typical results, bowhunters in Gahanna racked up about 60 whitetails by season’s end and deer-vehicle collisions totaled about 90, Murphy said.

Park kills stood at 19 last week, meaning 27 deer were taken on private property.

“We had one deer taken through a second-floor bedroom window,” Murphy said.

Murphy said he was particularly pleased that two 16-year-old hunters, Adam Zevchik and Dakoda Ramsey, took deer. A female hunter, Sasia Markley, tagged a doe on the opening day of the season in September.

“We’ve got to get more young people — and women — involved in hunting, or in the future it’s just going to dry up,” Murphy said.

Therein lies a probability that haunts not only hunters, but should prick at anyone who cares about the crumbling state of nature and the vanishing access to what passes for wilderness in Ohio.

The recently published financial report for the fiscal year of July 2010 through June 2011 reveals clearly how much the Ohio Division of Wildlife depends on hunting for its continued operation. Deer permits alone accounted for $10.5 million, or 19 percent, of its $56.3 million in revenue, and sales of hunting licenses totaled $10.8 million, turkey permits $1.5 million and wetland habitat stamps about $341,000. In all, about 42 percent of revenue came directly from hunter user fees, and another 22 percent, or $12.2 million, came from federal excise taxes on hunting and fishing equipment.

From a wildlife watcher’s standpoint, dwindling interest or participation in hunting — Ohio deer permit sales, as an example, have decreased during each of the past two years — is likely to translate into decreasing enrollment in conservation organizations. That means less money would be available to the likes of Ducks Unlimited and Pheasants Forever that work to increase habitat that benefits all life, whether hunted or not.

Ohio, which has a mostly checkered history of using its landscape and water to extract profit without taking into complete account their value as the fountainhead of general well-being, has a large stake in continuing its attractiveness as a place where big, numerous deer grow. The state has been luring out-of-state bucks from hunters, yet might be having a problem keeping its own interested.

With an economic impact estimated by the wildlife division at $859 million annually, Ohio ranks eighth nationally in hunting-related sales and 10th in the number of jobs created.

The answer to whether it’s possible to maintain hunting’s economic and conservation impact with flagging participation is almost surely negative. That’s one reason some observers have concerns about the trend indicating a shrinking deer kill.

Biologist Mike Tonkovich, the wildlife division’s deer project leader, said it’s unlikely, though possible, that deer numbers are a factor. His statewide herd estimate of 750,000 before the start of bow season was as high as it has ever been.

The early season bow take, moreover, has decreased the past two years. The kill during the recently completed weeklong deer gun season, hindered greatly by weather, was down significantly. Tonkovich said that he was encouraged that the bow kill numbers, which were not publicized, had picked up going into gun week.

Still, he acknowledged that a lot of factors are in play that make interpreting any numbers difficult, although some known developments are worrisome. Among them:

• Hunters are aging and not being replaced. Older hunters are also less likely to expend as much time and effort to harvest a deer as younger counterparts.

• More and more land that once could be hunted is being leased or bought by well-heeled individuals or consortiums, effectively cutting opportunities for most.

• Some skilled and experienced hunters have taken to handicapping themselves in various ways in order to make the hunt more challenging.

Although it’s possible that what appears to be a trend might be an anomaly, Tonkovich said trying to get a handle on what direction the herd and the harvest are heading is fraught with unknowns.

The deer-check system, in which hunters can use the Web or make a phone call rather than physically report to a station, might be implicated in why the kill has seemed to decrease. Maybe hunters aren’t bothering to report.

Or, the cause, if indeed the trend is real, might be something less obvious, Tonkovich said. One possibility is deer are today so numerous that bringing one home from the woods or field doesn’t seem as much of an accomplishment as it did not so long ago. And, so, waning enthusiasm and a diminished sense of adventure might be in play.

Whatever the case, the bedroom window shot remains a novelty for now.

outdoors@dispatch.com
 

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"Deer are today so numerous that bringing one home from the woods or field doesn't seem as much of an accomplishment as it did not so long ago"
Are you fugging kidding? We are in trouble with this kind of mentality running the show! Unbelievable!
 

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way to contradict yourself in the hunt ohio farms program. This is unreal...somebody wake me up.. way to label is hunters as just not reporting...IE you guys are a bunch of unscrupulous fucks...
 
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