well my buddy stuck with it , didnt get a shot all gun season till today , and he got his first deer ever , last year my other buddy got his first deer , both of them are part of team uglykat , from what i could understand , he was talking 90 mile an hour , her and 3 others came in across the hill about 135 yards , she was the first one to give him a shot , one shot one kill , ok maybe two shots he had to put one in her head to kill her , it was a high chest shot , but im still proud of him