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Looking forward to Nov. as my oldest brother is going to Illinois with us... Due to his wife being sick he has not ventured out in the woods for quite some time as he was obligated to taking care of her... Unfortunately she passed last year and now he is getting some what interested in getting in a stand... So next trip out to Illinois I'll put up a ladder stand in a productive spot... He insists he can still use his climber or use a hang on... That just ain't happening at his age... And when I say climber he means his TSS, hugging the tree the old fashioned way, no climbing aid... He was down in his basement the other day flinging arrows with his Mathews set on 55 lbs... This should prove interesting in Nov. When he climbs into a stand at the young age of 85.