Las Vegas Shooting
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Tracie and I had this conversation the other day. If this reaches a civil/social war level, I'm the type of guy that should be fighting. But I can't risk what I've worked my whole life for until it's reached some seriously fucked up levels that then wash right up to my front door and I don't see that happening in my lifetime. I'll have to help fight the passive fight because a real war isn't likely to happen and if it does, I'm not sure if I can see myself leaving my girls behind to go be in the militia. This ain't 1775...
Bigcountry40
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I respect your opinoin and see your point view, now I expect you to write me in ink and quill with your 1st amendment response.
Hortontoter
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None of you have walked in my shoes. I hope it never happens to you. But, if and when, someone dear to you is part of one of these mass shootings you may think differently. That is all I have to say.
Dick, no one wants to have anyone injured or worse from any shootings, but no amount of legislation is going to stop this... It’s been proven time and time again.... If you take the emotional side outta this and look at all the evidence gun control doesn’t work....
Politicians will make the push, and they’ll hold hearings on it and in the end nothing but wasting their time and taking away from other issues but it’ll make people feel better during the process....
You can't un-ring the bell.. The AR's, bumpstocks, rapid fire devices, suppressors, etc.. are out there for anyone that wants one, or 20.. And yes, A crazy person wanting to do harm will find a way.. I stand by my previous comment that we do not 'NEED" any of these ... we only have them because we can. And I do believe this crazy bastard would have had a much more difficult time killing 58 innocent people had these things not been available to him.
Hortontoter
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C'mon people, this guy bought 33 guns in less than a year from gun stores in 4 states. Many of which I assume were assault type rifles. This raised no red flags anywhere. Tells me that something is wrong with the so called background checks.
Bigcountry40
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I have no problem with a more in depth back ground check, but if we are going to interpret the constitution on the basis of government should decide whats good and healthy for us than we have a major issue, we are the most free nation in the world! with that is the consequence of people violating those freedoms, hence largest prison system in the world. Many people are willing to trade in their freedoms for a nice caged life of limitation, but once we allow government the right to manipulate the constitution (interpret some amendments loosely others very strictly) we are heading now a dark slippery slope of oppression. This is more than just he 2nd amendment, some States I can't burn my trash or install your own gas stove.
Hortontoter
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some States I can't burn my trash or install your own gas stove.
But, I can buy 33 guns in 4 states in less than a year. This my point, not that hard to see is it.
But, I can buy 33 guns in 4 states in less than a year. This my point, not that hard to see is it.
Why should that raise a red flag? It's a person purchasing a legal product. Should we limit how many guns someone should own? How about we limit how many magazines you can own or how much ammo you can have. The problem is there is nothing anyone could have done about this. What if he would have filled a truck with fertilizer and run a bunch of people over and detonated it? Should we ban fertilizer? You can't blame the object. There are a lot more and effective ways to kill a bunch of people other than guns. And don't think they don't want your hunting guns banned either. Look at what happened in England and Australia.
This is a concession I as a gun owner would make. You buy that many weapons in a short time frame, you go on the watch list. If you're a law abiding citizen, no worries right? The only problem is a concession leads to a slippery slope that ends with loss of all freedoms...
I won't make that concession for the very reason you can only shoot at the most two guns at one time. It doesn't matter how many you own and it's probably faster to reload a magazine than grab another gun.
Bigcountry40
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I truly do see your point, but I am guessing the kind of money this guy had, he could of easily got them through the black market, people smuggle thousands of pounds of heroin all over the united states. The problem I have with a gun registry is when the time comes and liberals finally get a registry then down the road they will be able to systematically disable gun owner 1 by 1 if we don't turn over our weapons if major limitation were legislated. This happened in Hurricane Katrina, sheriff's we going to peoples houses confiscating firearms for no reason, right then and there I would have a gun fight and called it a life.
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I'm liking what I'm seeing here, in terms of dialogue, and civil discourse.
There are many angles / views / ideas to be considered on a very emotional topic.
Keep your mind open, the respect going, and be willing to listen as well as speak.
Let's be better than other forms of social media.
To those who have expressed ideas different from the "crowd", please feel free to keep doing so, and I commend your courage. Everyone needs to hear from differing viewpoints to help gain understanding. Sometimes a different viewpoint will cause one to reconsider a position; sometimes that different viewpoint will help cement a position already held. But in a society sharply divided, it's more important than ever for people to be as interested in listening as they are in speaking their mind.
There are many angles / views / ideas to be considered on a very emotional topic.
Keep your mind open, the respect going, and be willing to listen as well as speak.
Let's be better than other forms of social media.
To those who have expressed ideas different from the "crowd", please feel free to keep doing so, and I commend your courage. Everyone needs to hear from differing viewpoints to help gain understanding. Sometimes a different viewpoint will cause one to reconsider a position; sometimes that different viewpoint will help cement a position already held. But in a society sharply divided, it's more important than ever for people to be as interested in listening as they are in speaking their mind.
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I haven't walked in your shoes. And i hope someone dear to me isn't a part of something like this. Sorry for your experience. In times like that we always look for the why and something to blame. But the gun itself is not to blame and banning them will not solve anything. People are evil. Evil can not be legislated to make it safe. After 9/11 we didn't blame the aircraft and want them banned. Guns are no different.
No, BUT, we did put more of an emphasis on activities that got you put on a watch list
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And he could have done just as damage with only 1.
The number of weapons really has no bearing. Say we make a law saying you can't buy more than three. The next mass shooter only buys two.
Say if someone buys 5 in a year red flags go up and they get a visit from the ATF. The next shooter just buys 4. And what's the ATF going to do if he buys 5? Show up and ask why? The answer will be "Because i wanted to". He hasn't broken any laws, no criminal record, nada. It would be a huge waste of time and stop nothing.
The virginia tech shooter never bought a single rifle. He owned a Glock 19 in 9mm and a Wather p22 .22 rimfire pistol. He killed 32 people before killing himself and had 174 live rounds remaining. If he continued it could have been much worse.