well went out and bought a ladder stand and a hang on a buddy gave me a trail cam he had and i have them all chained up more then i would think somebody would want to cut and got square tubing and welded a plate the width of my ladder legs and dug down 2 foot or so and concreted them in now i have the legs bolted into them 4 times little shits better not get these ones and i let landowners know and they let me lag bolt them to the trees also as long as i take bolts out before spring never did find them followed four wheeler tracks to the road and thats it