Ohio deer population

[ajupsman]

I agree to this. For the specific areas that do still have abundant deer they could implement antlerless tags that hunters could purchase or if the demand is high then a lottery for them. That's how Mich does most of their antlerless tags, they section off management units and set quotas for tags. People can do the lottery to get them and if there are still left over tags they go on sale to the public until they are gone.

They've done this in NH too. The state is broken down in to Wildlife Management Units and each unit has specific rules,seasons and tags. Now with the exception of the southeast units I think they need to drop the amount of bucks a guy can kill (3 as of now) but the idea is good. They had one unit where they added 6000 antlerless permits and sold them over the counter first come first served. That model could work in Ohio.

 

[Milo]

Tonk is an asshat. Thanks for fucking us pal.

Just took my deer to the processor. He said they did 800+ deer his first year (2008). My deer was #286 for the year. He said if it keeps up, he'll close up shop.

These policies are anti business as I said a few months ago. How can the state be anti business? Maybe it's just the wrong business they want. Silly really.

 

[Milo]

What I don't understand is the revenue from all the gun and accessory sales across this state should pale in the comparison to fabricated losses to farmers and the insurance companies. I have a hard time feeling sorry for insurance companies that have their pay to have their names o. The side of sports stadiums yet poor mouth our government

 

[MK111]

It's very simple math for big business. Pay less out in claims (expenses) and more profit to put more names on more stadiums to generate more business for more profit.
The simple thing is for sports fans to stop going to the stadiums so the insurance companies won't put their names on them. That way they won't need the extra profits.
Problem solved. Ya right.

What I don't understand is the revenue from all the gun and accessory sales across this state should pale in the comparison to fabricated losses to farmers and the insurance companies. I have a hard time feeling sorry for insurance companies that have their pay to have their names o. The side of sports stadiums yet poor mouth our government

 

[Jamie]

Two outta three ain't bad Jamie..... The more demanding equipment is a stretch imho..... Compounds and xbows been around for a while.... Maybe the let off was lower and slower fps but the accuracy was still there....

that is true, but the earliest I can remember being able to buy a second tag over the counter for a few counties was in 1988, but maybe it was before that. come on J, the compound bows and compound crossbows we had thirty years ago were a far cry from the machinery of today. did anyone even own an in-line muzzleloader back before we could by multiple tags?

 

[brock ratcliff]

There were only 11 counties where you could fill that one extra tag in 1988. Skip ahead 6 short years and introduce Mike Tonkovich. Suddenly, there are so many deer in Ohio that we are told we NEED to shoot a pile of does. Whatever... The mid-90's were awesome, before the effects of herd reductions were noticed.

 

[MK111]

Think about this for a second.
1961 I seen my 1st deer in NW Ohio and the local newspaper put a article in print.
1972 I took a buck North central Ohio and the newspaper put a article in print. One of about 5500 deer taken in the whole state of Ohio in 1972.
1976 I moved to SW Ohio and there was no gun season here. And had to go to SE Ohio to deer hunt.
Not quit sure when the whole state went to gun season.

So what I'm saying is, even though some areas of the state are having a rough time now, the whole state surely isn't in the sad shape it was years ago.
The deer hunting in Ohio has come from almost nothing to what we've had in the last several years. Even today it's great hunting deer in Ohio.

I lived through it, I seen it, and I got over it.

 

[Milo]

Think about this for a second.
1961 I seen my 1st deer in NW Ohio and the local newspaper put a article in print.
1972 I took a buck North central Ohio and the newspaper put a article in print. One of about 5500 deer taken in the whole state of Ohio in 1972.
1976 I moved to SW Ohio and there was no gun season here. And had to go to SE Ohio to deer hunt.
Not quit sure when the whole state went to gun season.

So what I'm says even though some areas are having a rough time now, the whole state surely isn't in the sad shape it was years ago.
I lived through it, I seen it, and I got over it.

I disagree and the harvest totals show this. Can I do anything to change it? Probably not by myself but there will be others. All I know is that ODNR "researcher" can blow those emails out their ass. I'm not doing their job for them anymore. It's landowner tags for me.

 

[aholdren]

What about the # of crop damage permits?
I realize this might throw this in another direction.
The reason I say this is cause the 60 acres I have permission to hunt, that is almost 40 acres tillable, got 6 crop damage permits handed to the other guy that has permission to hunt. I said no thanks to the putting my name down for the permits.

 

[Mike]

Good point.

 

[Strother23]

What about the # of crop damage permits?
I realize this might throw this in another direction.
The reason I say this is cause the 60 acres I have permission to hunt, that is almost 40 acres tillable, got 6 crop damage permits handed to the other guy that has permission to hunt. I said no thanks to the putting my name down for the permits.

Thos things are a joke and are handing out like candy to any farmer that complains. Pisses me off really because there are some many animals that cause crop damage not just deers but they get the blame.

 

[aholdren]

The landowner didn't complain, the man that leases the property and plants soybeans is the one that inquired for the permits, just so happens to be that his cousin is the other guy that has permission to hunt the property other than me.

 

[Mike]

Does anybody have a record of how many permits have been handed out in the past 10 years or so?

 

[bowhunter1023]

One of the farms I have permission to hunt killed 100 deer in 2 summers worth of crop damage. Never uses a single deer, just dumped them where they dump their dead cows. Just got done talking to a guy that told me about another local farmer that killed 60 a few years back and left them all to rot. Crop permits have had a HUGE impact on the herd.

 

[MK111]

The last I seen it was 6000 or so per year and going down.
Our local GW isn't very liberal on permits.

Does anybody have a record of how many permits have been handed out in the past 10 years or so?

 

[reo]

I disagree with his assessment. 20 years ago, the area I live and hunt in was a bow hunter's paradise, gun hunting too. I didn't live here 25 years ago, but the hunting around my old homeplace was far better than it is today. The devil is in perception. High kills equate to high populations in most folks' mind. Fact is, we did not kill as many in total 25 years ago, however, we left more standing at the end of the season...so each year, there were plenty of deer left to hunt the next year. Breeding stock, it's important.

Agreed. I was around and hunting 25 hears ago as I am 53 now. I would trade deer numbers of 25 years ago over today in a hot second!

 

[Lundy]

Does anybody have a record of how many permits have been handed out in the past 10 years or so?

Yes I do, it is listed in the harvest spreadsheet I put together with history since 2002. I can post when I get out of the woods this evening or you can search for where I posted it last year

 

[Lundy]

The last chart I posted was 10/9/2013. In general deer hunting forum

 

[MK111]

In some parts of Ohio but not in SW Ohio.

Agreed. I was around and hunting 25 hears ago as I am 53 now. I would trade deer numbers of 25 years ago over today in a hot second!

 

[Bigslam51]

One of the farms I hunt was issued 21 crop damage permits and he used them all, and probably shot more also. This is only 130 acres of land. He also let's them rot. I spent a total of 3 hours in the stand at that farm this year, probably won't hunt it next year either.