My best outdoor memories aren't of deer or turkey. They are running a trap line. I trapped long before becoming a hunter, and it definitely made me a better outdoorsman because of it. I feel like if more people were introduced, we wouldn't have a coon problem. Trapping is truely an enjoyable outdoor activity that has all but been forgotten by this generation of outdoorsmen. Many avid trappers have aged out or died. Of course the fur market contributes to this as well. One thing I can say for sure, if coons grew antlers there wouldn't be an overpopulation problem. At least not on accessible properties. They may not grow antlers, but as recent as 10 years ago they were growing $20 bills. Sadly that value is now much less, but the tradition of catching and processing fur to market is still as enjoyable.
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One of my coon hunting buddies is frothing at the mouth to start shooting. Spoke to him just yesterday and he said the buyers he knows are not buying this year. That will not keep us from shooting them on our property.
I use to sell to local buyers, but they disappeared with the fur market or died. The best thing to do now is ship them to the fur auctions, where they continue to market the pelts until sold. Usually get better prices this way too. I have no clue what the price of a coon is this year. I'm sure it's abysmal at best.
Going to the auctions back in the day was awesome! Vollmers park outside of Grand rapids is where we went in high school then later it moved to Bowling Green fairgrounds. It was a blast! a mini rendezvous lol.
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I wasn't sure where to put this and I have been thinking about this thread lately. I have a slippery slope question...
If the state owns the deer, I shoot one legally on property i have permission for and it runs off. Why doesn't the state have the right to let me retrieve it?
I am one of the last people that wants the government telling me to allow people on my land, but if someone is actively following a blood trail and made contact with land owner, they shouldn't be denied access to retrieve state owned property.
If the state owns the deer, I shoot one legally on property i have permission for and it runs off. Why doesn't the state have the right to let me retrieve it?
I am one of the last people that wants the government telling me to allow people on my land, but if someone is actively following a blood trail and made contact with land owner, they shouldn't be denied access to retrieve state owned property.
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The state owns the deer, but they dont own the property or the hunter's decision. It is the hunter's responsibility to know the neighborhood and whether and where they are allowed to track. Now, I think it's a jerk move to not allow someone to track a deer.
However, a blanket statement like "if you're tracking a deer, you can go anywhere" is about as slippery a slope as you can stand on.
If a guy gets permission to hunt 1/2 acre, they better have permission to track on other people or be a damn good shot. I dont think that ought to be the state's responsibility.
IMO.
I agree with your logic on this one. Given the wanton waste laws, which specifically reference "intentionally" leaving an animal, I've always felt that if there was a legit concern for wasting edible wild game, that should be the first priority, regardless of ownership of animal and/or land. It can certainly be a slippery slope as people will abuse all things, but we should prioritize recovery and sometimes greater authority is needed to make that happen.
That "wanton waste" is exactly where my mind was and that is what brought me to this thread.
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Iowa has interesting laws allowing folks to retrieve animals that cross lines with clear rules spelled out. I agree it is a slippery slope because if I am a land owner this encourages everyone to take fenceline shots which isn't against the law but certainly generates ongoing issues.
Access is a huge problem as we all know. So to limit the people only hunting small acres really cripples alot. Urban hunting is what has sparked alot of this.
As I have been crushed by EHD again it has had my mind spinning about where/how to spend some effort to expand my little groups hunting opportunities.
Things we like...
- We like to hunt high populated deer areas
- We like to target property owners with a problem and fix that
- We like easy access for kids and recovery
- We like low impact
All this leads to urban style hunting. And ohio has a ton of it to offer. Problem is when you go to recover. Locating permission on a single property or multiple could be pretty easy IMO. But is it worth the hassle if you can't recover the animal? I think it would turn into a one and done situation with leaving a bad taste for everyone. I dislike that. Problem is, this is where deer vehicle accidents are highest. Property damage is high. Populations are high in which leads to unhealthy/sick herds.
So, how do we fix this? Hire a sniper crew seems crazy to me when we have an overwhelming number of people like us that could use the meat and experience. I think a wanton waste law to include recovery efforts would help.
As I have been crushed by EHD again it has had my mind spinning about where/how to spend some effort to expand my little groups hunting opportunities.
Things we like...
- We like to hunt high populated deer areas
- We like to target property owners with a problem and fix that
- We like easy access for kids and recovery
- We like low impact
All this leads to urban style hunting. And ohio has a ton of it to offer. Problem is when you go to recover. Locating permission on a single property or multiple could be pretty easy IMO. But is it worth the hassle if you can't recover the animal? I think it would turn into a one and done situation with leaving a bad taste for everyone. I dislike that. Problem is, this is where deer vehicle accidents are highest. Property damage is high. Populations are high in which leads to unhealthy/sick herds.
So, how do we fix this? Hire a sniper crew seems crazy to me when we have an overwhelming number of people like us that could use the meat and experience. I think a wanton waste law to include recovery efforts would help.
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I just dont think it is that common of an issue, especially with today's technology aiding in recovery. If this is happening often to someone, I think it is more likely the hunter/property layout or bad neighbor relationships - not the state's responsibility. I think we have enough areas of focus as a state to better deer hunting, then create a situation where it increases line sitting, poor shot choices, etc.
I have hunted some small parcels (5 acres or less), and I have always tried my very best to contact all neighbors before the season starts to get tracking permission, and to pass up a lot of shots unless I felt I absolutely could pinwheel that deer.
If the issue is a major problem, one can contact a GW to see whether they can speak with the landowner and convince them to allow a fast retrieval for ethical reasons.
I will say I am likely biased on this because of a situation I had this year. I had a great neighbor who sold his farm a year or so ago. The new neighbors hung a stand on the line. I mean, their shadow is touching my property if the sun hits them right. So no, I dont personally feel I owe that person the right to run all over my farm if they shoot a deer on the line. What if I am hunting? My family is hunting?
I think this is far too specific and nuanced for the government to be involved at the macro level.
State Decisions and Logical choices for the public to follow don't often go hand in hand.
I have hunted some small parcels (5 acres or less), and I have always tried my very best to contact all neighbors before the season starts to get tracking permission, and to pass up a lot of shots unless I felt I absolutely could pinwheel that deer.
If the issue is a major problem, one can contact a GW to see whether they can speak with the landowner and convince them to allow a fast retrieval for ethical reasons.
I will say I am likely biased on this because of a situation I had this year. I had a great neighbor who sold his farm a year or so ago. The new neighbors hung a stand on the line. I mean, their shadow is touching my property if the sun hits them right. So no, I dont personally feel I owe that person the right to run all over my farm if they shoot a deer on the line. What if I am hunting? My family is hunting?
I think this is far too specific and nuanced for the government to be involved at the macro level.
State Decisions and Logical choices for the public to follow don't often go hand in hand.
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You know the inverse problem holds true on a lot of public lands, the bordering Private landowners are almsot all entering the remote parts of public via the backdoor. Again very legal and is what it is but they are able to access and apply pressure to very remote areas based on their land ownership which makes it tough for the folks accessing thru conventional means to have what would be deemed a enjoyable hunt. Not apples to apples but interesting conversation.
We are coming from different angles on this. I like the conversation, but I dont think we are on the same page. The hunting style you speak of happens no matter the size of the property. A good quality hunter does all he can to avoid other people or situations. Parking on a property line is bad ethics.
I am also not talking about someone going in whenever they want. Contact to the property owner prior to entering is. That would clear up any disruptive type situations.
Sounds like a smart landowner, lol. The flip of that is the guy that walks all the way in to hunt the private land boundary. What if said deer was legally shot 100 yards on public and ran 80 yards on private?
Does this become a habitat debate? Because we hunt where deer are at, or at least we try to.
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Isn't that what the law is now? You contact the neighbors and ask for permission. So if someone says "no, I dont want anyone back there" - you are stating we should be able to retrieve the deer regardless of the landowner's choice, correct?
I want to make sure I understand your angle so I can answer correctly.
Always a great conversation!!
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What you have copied is law as it relates to tracking with a Dog sir, I have hunted there and confirmed law via their DNR that while landowner permission attempts are encouraged it is not mandatory. You must be unarmed, the only person crossing fence, and have active blood trail.
Correct. I feel like the GW has authority to search my freezer anytime but currently doesn't have the right to let a hunter retrieve an animal.
Example- I shoot a deer and it makes it even 1' over the property line, the hunter can't legally do anything about it. Guy has drone proof that the deer is dead right there and no legal way to retrieve it. As a hunter, that is criminal to me. Buck, doe, fawn, deer of a lifetime doesn't change my mind on this either.