Which full size truck brand do you own

[hickslawns]

Judging by the price cuts and how long they're sitting on lots I'd stay away. Starting to see lots of reports of lifters wiping cams and causing catastrophic failures as they're starting to reach 90k-120k. Miles. Every time I thought I found a smoking deal on a F-250 with a 6.2 gasser I'd look and it had a 7.3.

I'm not sure I agree with this. 2020-2022 models had some issues. Mostly on big trucks. Box trucks and medium duty chassis mostly. I'm not hearing near as many issues on 2023 and newer. I follow several 7.3 groups. It happens. It probably happens more than it should. Doesn't sound like an issue bringing on a recall though.

It's puzzling because their 6.8L which is the 7.3 with a shorter stroke crank doesn't have this issue.

Pretty disappointing to see Rams with cam and lifter issues. GMCs getting replacement engines. Tundras swapping engines. Now add in all the diesel problems with fuel systems or emissions related issues. I don't feel like we have these issues with many cars or SUVs.

@Archertl if you buy a new one it has a warranty. If you buy a used one which is within factory 3yr/36k warranty you can extend the bumper to bumper warranty reasonably cheap. Still a lot of money, but $3800 is what it cost on my 2022. That extended me 5 yrs and out to 100k miles. Replace one touchscreen and you paid for half of it. That said, I just bought my second one and I'm impressed.

 

[Archertl]

Probably looking at buying a big truck in the next year. I dont really know how to work on diesels, much less one of these modern ones. Im hate barrowing peoples trucks to haul stuff. Seems to be a need was have more and more offen. Gravel, dirt, moving tractors/equipment, stock trailer, rv...ect. definitely will need one when we move to KY. The 6.8 or 7.3 seem appealing to me not being a diesel and something i can work on. The ford f350 axles and running gear seem solid. Chevy and dodge are hardly trucks anymore in my eyes.

Good news is the tacoma is all fixed and looking good again.

 

[5Cent]

I'm not sure I agree with this. 2020-2022 models had some issues. Mostly on big trucks. Box trucks and medium duty chassis mostly. I'm not hearing near as many issues on 2023 and newer. I follow several 7.3 groups. It happens. It probably happens more than it should. Doesn't sound like an issue bringing on a recall though.

It's puzzling because their 6.8L which is the 7.3 with a shorter stroke crank doesn't have this issue.

Pretty disappointing to see Rams with cam and lifter issues. GMCs getting replacement engines. Tundras swapping engines. Now add in all the diesel problems with fuel systems or emissions related issues. I don't feel like we have these issues with many cars or SUVs.

@Archertl if you buy a new one it has a warranty. If you buy a used one which is within factory 3yr/36k warranty you can extend the bumper to bumper warranty reasonably cheap. Still a lot of money, but $3800 is what it cost on my 2022. That extended me 5 yrs and out to 100k miles. Replace one touchscreen and you paid for half of it. That said, I just bought my second one and I'm impressed.

Can we just mix 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton models here? I am not aware of any major GM 6.0L or 6.6L gassers getting full engine replacements on the regular, old gen Duramax diesel are injectors, Yota doesn't produce a 3/4ton model. Painting with a wide brush

 

[Jackalope]

Can we just mix 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton models here? I am not aware of any major GM 6.0L or 6.6L gassers getting full engine replacements on the regular, old gen Duramax diesel are injectors, Yota doesn't produce a 3/4ton model. Painting with a wide brush

You mean outside of the 2001-2004 6.2L recall for engine replacement on 700,000÷ GM vehicles.

Oh! Or the 2019-2022 CT4,5&6 transmission recall where there arent parts available so owners get a shit software update to predict catastrophic failure and limit gears prior to it happening and puts it in limp mode.

Or Allison sending GM a cease and desist to remove all Allison badges and names from all unsold vehicles by June 2026, and cease badging on all new production vehicles because the 10-speed is such shit.

Buying anything GM today is like playing Russian roulette with 3 rounds loaded.

 

[Jackalope]

I'm not sure I agree with this. 2020-2022 models had some issues. Mostly on big trucks. Box trucks and medium duty chassis mostly. I'm not hearing near as many issues on 2023 and newer. I follow several 7.3 groups. It happens. It probably happens more than it should. Doesn't sound like an issue bringing on a recall though.

It's puzzling because their 6.8L which is the 7.3 with a shorter stroke crank doesn't have this issue.

Pretty disappointing to see Rams with cam and lifter issues. GMCs getting replacement engines. Tundras swapping engines. Now add in all the diesel problems with fuel systems or emissions related issues. I don't feel like we have these issues with many cars or SUVs.

@Archertl if you buy a new one it has a warranty. If you buy a used one which is within factory 3yr/36k warranty you can extend the bumper to bumper warranty reasonably cheap. Still a lot of money, but $3800 is what it cost on my 2022. That extended me 5 yrs and out to 100k miles. Replace one touchscreen and you paid for half of it. That said, I just bought my second one and I'm impressed.

Yeah I don't know know enough about it. Only that I've seen it has greatly impacted consumer confidence resulting in a shying away and depressed pricing on 7.3s. I think people are concerned that the 2020-2022s are just now getting enough use to see problems and the issue may still be present in 2023+ models.

 

[hickslawns]

Can we just mix 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton models here? I am not aware of any major GM 6.0L or 6.6L gassers getting full engine replacements on the regular, old gen Duramax diesel are injectors, Yota doesn't produce a 3/4ton model. Painting with a wide brush

My apologies if I mixed up my details. Didn't @jagermeister have something in his new truck replaced? Maybe it was a transmission. The issues I had 2000-2006 models Chevy might Irrelevant here. To be fair, they have a crap ton of 200-300k mile engines out there right now still chugging. I was simply tired of wheel bearings at 20k miles and replacing fan switches 10 times. Electrical issues and cheap component issues 20-25yrs ago. I know they had more recent issues with the cylinder drop motors. (I don't remember the name of it, but I think @Mike had one.) May not have been offered in the 3/4 1T trucks?

To summarize: they are all junk now. Pick your poison. Might get lucky. Might wish you got the extended warranty. Roll your dice. Lol

@Archertl I was very pleased pulling a 24' race trailer loaded with mine. Similar to big bumper pull camper. Extra height on mine and lots of weight. You're a smart guy. You know you can't expect 14mpg pulling a good load. Mine has zero issues with dump trailers, 8500-9000# skid loaders, etc. on the highway I lock out the higher gears. I don't miss a diesel at all. No plugging in. No gelling of fuel concerns. Not $12-15k engine options when buying new. No emissions issues. Cheaper oil changes and less frequent fuel filter changes. Transmission is the same in diesel and 7.3 gasser. I haven't driven a newer diesel but this engine rivals (probably out performs to be honest) the diesels of the mid 2000's. The pre-def pre-emission diesels were the last ones I owned. One note to be aware of: test drive different wheel base setups. Wish I did and I wouldn't be on my second one. The CCLB is NOT nimble. You can turn an aircraft carrier around in a shorter turn radius. Another disappointment is the soft suspension. I hooked the race trailer to my 25 F350 which has under 300 miles. Dropped 5.5 inches. Rides nice. They have them too soft though. Prepare to spend $900-1500 on Timbrens or air bags. Not sure if other manufacturers have these issues. I wouldn't be afraid of the motor though.

@Jackalope I'm not sure the trucks sitting on lots are due to the motor. November sucked across the board for automakers. I got the X plan AND $7500 in rebates on the left over 2025. They didn't move vehicles in November and had a lot of left over 2025s. That said, it might hurt the used Fords with the 7.3 if they're out of warranty. That wouldn't surprise me at all.

 

[Archertl]

Timbren bump stops are the shit. If i get one, it will probably be the super cab or a regular cab. It will get a flatbed almost immediately.

 

[giles]

My camper puts my 19' 350 on the helpers. Pulls like a dream like this. Pulls so well that I dont use my fancy hitch towing with this truck.

 

[5Cent]

Lol, so we can stop the regurgitation of it all again, there's a thread for that

Thread 'GM - never again!'

Aug 2, 2024

Providing a dumping ground on why you would never buy a GM product again. To help support the tow/daily driver thread, and to help keep the OEM warranty & out of pocket thread cleaner, dump away!

We'll work it backwards, new rant first, with plenty in other threads should you have a specific model/failure mode in mind.

I've had quite a few vehicles from. Nissan, Toyota, Ford, and Chevy. The GM products were by far the worst. It's not things like warranty parts because let's face it 3 year 36k is shit. It is all the other stuff that's a problem which is designed to barely outlast the...

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Again, I love the convo is about the new Ford 7.3L, but yet 25yr old 6.2L engines that were in 1/2 tons and Escalade for performance come up, and whos towing with a CT, prolly the same guy doing 50 down a stone road complaining about GM paint quality. Isn't this a full size truck thread? Badging, yep, that happened but when that tranny isn't assembled in your plant and the contract runs out, I would have done the same thing. We all know that badge adds an extra 100hp, so I wouldn't recommend it now w/o the badge.

@hickslawns, JB's new duramax had a valve body replaced to help with hard shifts. Not sure if its a true Allison or not. More OEM support data located here:

Thread 'Roll call - truck owners & under warranty $'

Jul 31, 2024

Calling all truck owners that purchased a new or used truck, model year 2000+ or newer that was still under warranty.

Simple data collection for how many you bought, and the count for still under OEM warranty or extended (3rd party), and were required to pay $ out of pocket for a fix to make drivable again.

Please list:

Total count
-Make
-Model
-Issue
-Warranty type


I'll start, as its shaping up to be the only positive data points.

Count: 3 good, 0 paid
-3 Chevys
-2011 Silverado 1500, 2014 Silverado 2500HD duramax, 2020 Silverado 2500HD gasser
-N/A
-N/A

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[Sauger]

When it comes to trucks of that size in my opinion...pick your poison. They all have pros and cons and they are all close on HP and tourq. I cant speek to dodge i have never owned one. I had the new AT4 with the duramax and it would not get out of its own way towing. Its not bad if your taki g a boat to the lake, but if your hauling weight i will never own another. I can say that if your looking at Ford and tow alot... steer away from the 7.3. Nothing wrong with the motor you will regret the fuel mileage. We have the 7.3 at work and they are solid but when we put the equipment behind them, they get about 5-7 mpg. The 6.7 powerstroke drops to about 14. Both of them adverage around 19-21 mpg unloaded.

 

[5Cent]

When it comes to trucks of that size in my opinion...pick your poison. They all have pros and cons and they are all close on HP and tourq. I cant speek to dodge i have never owned one. I had the new AT4 with the duramax and it would not get out of its own way towing. Its not bad if your taki g a boat to the lake, but if your hauling weight i will never own another. I can say that if your looking at Ford and tow alot... steer away from the 7.3. Nothing wrong with the motor you will regret the fuel mileage. We have the 7.3 at work and they are solid but when we put the equipment behind them, they get about 5-7 mpg. The 6.7 powerstroke drops to about 14. Both of them adverage around 19-21 mpg unloaded.

Poor fuel mileage is only thing I have heard on them too. But as we have said before, if you're driving a 3/4-1ton, mpg usually isn't the main goal. I love the look of Phil's new ride, hope he holds on to for many years so we can get 1st hand feedback. The 7.3L is what I was looking for 6+yrs ago but they were delayed on launch.

Haven't we all agreed by now to just buy Toyotas moving forward? They're space shuttle towing capacity, resell value, and just flat out hauling power cannot be over stated.

Anyone working on that Cummins/*real Allison/GM 14bolt in a Ford Chassis yet?

 

[Sauger]

I am on my sixth 6.7 and will never go back. I do trade them off before they get over 150k. Not becuase the engine, its because I dont trust any electronics. Other than the first Gen in 2010 I have had no issues with the engine. If I ever decide to sell the camper and equipment I will drop to a 1/2 ton. My wife's f150 ecoboost had around 280k when I traded it in. So thats the direction I would go.

 

[giles]

Anyone working on that Cummins/*real Allison/GM 14bolt in a Ford Chassis yet?

You would put that 14 bolt in over a Dana 60, 70, 80 or even the Ford 10.25? I agree with the dream truck build there but I would leave the stock axles under the Ford chassis.

 

[5Cent]

You would put that 14 bolt in over a Dana 60, 70, 80 or even the Ford 10.25? I agree with the dream truck build there but I would leave the stock axles under the Ford chassis.

Yep, 14 is stronger than a 60, very similar to a 70, and 80 is overkill unless youre building an offload rig or 1500hp+ puller/dyno rig. Better ground clearance, a 10.5" ring and ample parts and easy serviceability is why I would choose a 14 in my DD/towing combo.

Actually caught this on a Sunday morning a few weeks ago.

 

[giles]

Yep, 14 is stronger than a 60, very similar to a 70, and 80 is overkill unless youre building an offload rig or 1500hp+ puller/dynamic rig. Better ground clearance, a 10.5" ring and ample parts and easy serviceability is why I would choose a 14 in my DD/towing combo.

Actually caught this on a Sunday morning a few weeks ago.

My brain had the 60 up front. But interesting thoughts. I like the Ford with the Electronic locker.

 

[jagermeister]

Lol, so we can stop the regurgitation of it all again, there's a thread for that

Thread 'GM - never again!'

Aug 2, 2024

Providing a dumping ground on why you would never buy a GM product again. To help support the tow/daily driver thread, and to help keep the OEM warranty & out of pocket thread cleaner, dump away!

We'll work it backwards, new rant first, with plenty in other threads should you have a specific model/failure mode in mind.

I've had quite a few vehicles from. Nissan, Toyota, Ford, and Chevy. The GM products were by far the worst. It's not things like warranty parts because let's face it 3 year 36k is shit. It is all the other stuff that's a problem which is designed to barely outlast the...

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• Forum: Automotive, Boats, Campers and ATV/UTV Talk

Again, I love the convo is about the new Ford 7.3L, but yet 25yr old 6.2L engines that were in 1/2 tons and Escalade for performance come up, and whos towing with a CT, prolly the same guy doing 50 down a stone road complaining about GM paint quality. Isn't this a full size truck thread? Badging, yep, that happened but when that tranny isn't assembled in your plant and the contract runs out, I would have done the same thing. We all know that badge adds an extra 100hp, so I wouldn't recommend it now w/o the badge.

@hickslawns, JB's new duramax had a valve body replaced to help with hard shifts. Not sure if its a true Allison or not. More OEM support data located here:

Thread 'Roll call - truck owners & under warranty $'

Jul 31, 2024

Calling all truck owners that purchased a new or used truck, model year 2000+ or newer that was still under warranty.

Simple data collection for how many you bought, and the count for still under OEM warranty or extended (3rd party), and were required to pay $ out of pocket for a fix to make drivable again.

Please list:

Total count
-Make
-Model
-Issue
-Warranty type


I'll start, as its shaping up to be the only positive data points.

Count: 3 good, 0 paid
-3 Chevys
-2011 Silverado 1500, 2014 Silverado 2500HD duramax, 2020 Silverado 2500HD gasser
-N/A
-N/A

• 5Cent
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• Forum: Automotive, Boats, Campers and ATV/UTV Talk

I actually have the 6.6 gasser, not a duramax. But you’re correct… valve body replacement at roughly 4k miles, due to a hard downshift into 2nd or 3rd at 150+ degree operating temp.

I don’t love the 10-speed transmission, but overall I love the truck. It’s the first GM vehicle that I’ve owned and I’m very happy with it. So much that I was just looking at a new ‘26 LT Trail Boss 2500 the other day. If they would’ve came up another 3 grand on trade-in, I would’ve pulled the trigger.