Non-Resident license fees to increase

[Bigslam51]

Wow. I've heard it all now. What do you do to "take care of the land all year" that entitles you to a discount, or should I say what don't I do, in the state woods of Ohio that should make me pay a shit ton more than you? I hope you never have an itch to hunt out of state or go to a farm that someone else has taken care of all year round. Get a clue man. You don't own it, you live there. That's all

How the hell do I get a discount? And I'm pretty sure I do own my land Lol i just dont live on it, and I do hunt other farms, these people have been friends of mine for years. I manage habitat as best I can on the farms I hunt as well as the land I own. Can you do anything to help create and manage habitat on state land? Don't get all pissy cause you might have to fork out some more coin to hunt Ohio instead of stare at leaves in the fall. How about you get a hold of your DNR and ask them why deer hunting in NH sucks.

 

[runhunter]

If you have your own land, can manage it etc, my hats off to ya. That's even more of a reason why you shouldn't care. It's not my job to manage state/national forests. That's why we buy licenses, have govt oversight etc. My job is a population control specialist. I do what my means allow me to.
I live in NJ and I write our DNR frequently. It sucks here because the state is too concerned with money, not growing trophy deer. 6 buck tags per year doesn't help matters.

 

[Bigslam51]

If you have your own land, can manage it etc, my hats off to ya. That's even more of a reason why you shouldn't care. It's not my job to manage state/national forests. That's why we buy licenses, have govt oversight etc. My job is a population control specialist. I do what my means allow me to.
I live in NJ and I write our DNR frequently. It sucks here because the state is too concerned with money, not growing trophy deer. 6 buck tags per year doesn't help matters.

Why are you so hell bent on me not giving a shit? I live here, you don't. If you don't want to pay the fees then move here, that'll solve the problem. I'm pretty sure our population doesn't need control lol

 

[runhunter]

Youre crazy man. Lol. I already said I have no issues. A fee increase isn't going to stop me. Ease up on your anti NR stance. If I move there, then you'll just call me a transplant and still want me to pay more. Lol.

 

[Bigslam51]

Youre crazy man. Lol. I already said I have no issues. A fee increase isn't going to stop me. Ease up on your anti NR stance. If I move there, then you'll just call me a transplant and still want me to pay more. Lol.

If you moved here I'd probably ask you to hunt with me lol. I'm not anti NR. I've always thought the NR fees were a slap in the face to Ohioans. The douchebag from new York has nothing to do with that.

 

[runhunter]

Haha. We'll in that case. How far are you from Scioto county? Lol. You and me are gonna get along real good!

 

[Bigslam51]

Probably 3 hours, you'd hit TOO many deer with your truck on the way up here since we have TOO many. Best stay in scioto county to play it safe

 

[runhunter]

Maybe we'll just do a turkey hunt to break the ice. I have visions of you and I on the back porch, cold Stella in hand, maybe a good cigar, debating NR licenses till midnight.

 

[reo]

REO/CARPN.. that's a load of shit... No trying to start a war, but you have to look at the big picture. Saying you are over run with NR is a bit misguided. Is it crowded during certain times of the year? ABSOLUTELY, is it frustrating, I'm sure. OH is as good as it is, in part, because of the NR, who are willing to pay to hunt there. I'm from NJ, and a small increase probably won't keep me from coming, considering how good the hunting is. It's public land, you don't own it, and if we're willing to pay to take advantage of it, so be it. If you hate the crowds, save up some cash, lease privately, or go out of state, and help support their conservation efforts, just like I do when I come to Ohio.

Bigslam, you don't think it's right for a guy from NY to lease land that borders your property? Would be ok if it was a guy from OH? I understand you live there, and it sucks if a deer you've worked for wanders over to a neighboring property to be killed by a NR, but guess what, it happens all over the country. That's why it's called hunting. This sense of entitlement, that a deer on your property, in a free range environment, is yours to kill, and yours only, is part of what is wrong with hunting today, and why the prices have sky rocketed.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but when I drive around the land that I hunt that is owned by the State of OHIO, the state that I am a life long resident of and the plates are at least 3 to 1 NR hunters, that in MY opinion is "over run". When I go to the local processor and he is doing a rush job of 6 deer for 3 NR hunters and none of them are over 1.5 years old and most are fawns, I have an issue. When speaking to the NR hunters they state they "have to go home with something" and that's the reason for killing the little deer...... I have another issue.

Add to that the typical (from my experience) NR group: Roll in on Saturday or Sunday for the week ahead, the 1st week of November, well we gotta get out and scout, so we park in a likely area, right next to a guy that is already parked there and in the woods hunting and hit the woods. Tromping through all real thorough like so that no good sign is overlooked often times yelling reports of what is being seen back and forth to each other. Ok, now a couple hours of scouting is complete, out come the stands and back into the wood we go, stetting the stands, clearing lanes etc. Now its back in the trucks to the next good looking spot and repeat. The next weekend a new crop of NR hunters arrive and well you may be able to guess.

I have not one thing personally against the NR hunter as it must suck to be from a state with shit deer hunting but NR pressure has really skyrocketed in the last 10 years and as a resident I feel a hike in the costs could curb this. And runhunter if you do not fit the mold above good on you but most, from my personnel observations do. To be clear, in none of the scenarios above is the NR doing anything illegal nor am I making any accusations that they are but it is my right as a citizen of Ohio to lobby for and support, what in my opinion will reduce the number of NR hunting in Ohio. If you think I am misguided, so be it.

 

[Bigslam51]

Maybe we'll just do a turkey hunt to break the ice. I have visions of you and I on the back porch, cold Stella in hand, maybe a good cigar, debating NR licenses till midnight.

I quit drinkin, and if I still did I wouldn't be caught dead drinking a Stella. There's plenty of turkeys around our land Lol.

 

[runhunter]

I'm sure it sucks, but when there's big deer, there's people. Fees, access, posted signs, etc...none of that seems to matter to people. They find a way and they make bit unenjoyable at times. I have to deal with it from residents here so I'm used to it. I know the pain. Guys moving in on ya, stealing stands etc. miserable but I have no choice. Just have to deal with it and hope for the best ya know

 

[Bigslam51]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but when I drive around the land that I hunt that is owned by the State of OHIO, the state that I am a life long resident of and the plates are at least 3 to 1 NR hunters, that in MY opinion is "over run". When I go to the local processor and he is doing a rush job of 6 deer for 3 NR hunters and none of them are over 1.5 years old and most are fawns, I have an issue. When speaking to the NR hunters they state they "have to go home with something" and that's the reason for killing the little deer...... I have another issue.

Add to that the typical (from my experience) NR group: Roll in on Saturday or Sunday for the week ahead, the 1st week of November, well we gotta get out and scout, so we park in a likely area, right next to a guy that is already parked there and in the woods hunting and hit the woods. Tromping through all real thorough like so that no good sign is overlooked often times yelling reports of what is being seen back and forth to each other. Ok, now a couple hours of scouting is complete, out come the stands and back into the wood we go, stetting the stands, clearing lanes etc. Now its back in the trucks to the next good looking spot and repeat. The next weekend a new crop of NR hunters arrive and well you may be able to guess.

I have not one thing personally against the NR hunter as it must suck to be from a state with shit deer hunting but NR pressure has really skyrocketed in the last 10 years and as a resident I feel a hike in the costs could curb this. And runhunter if you do not fit the mold above good on you but most, from my personnel observations do. To be clear, in none of the scenarios above is the NR doing anything illegal nor am I making any accusations that they are but it is my right as a citizen of Ohio to lobby for and support, what in my opinion will reduce the number of NR hunting in Ohio. If you think I am misguided, so be it.

X2 Well said

 

[Jackalope]

I come there, and while I "only" pay an extra $100, I support local businesses, hotels, restaurants, I've donated deer to families that are in need, and Hunt the right way. 99% of the people I've met don't care and welcome us NR's with open arms. Guys I met on the side of the road in Lawrence told me where to hunt and what they've been seeing. I hunt private ground and expected to get a cold shoulder from the guys who have grown up there, and didn't. I'm only 3 years in to OH hunting, and met my share of guys, but none that don't appreciate other hunters. Sad...

I'm not aiming this at you but at the logic. This is a huge myth that a lot of people don't understand when talking about Resident vs NR hunters and money spent in the state. The hunting industry in Ohio is a billion dollar industry. NR hunters are a very insignificant portion of that. While it is true that they spend a little money inside the state it's miniscule compared to what a resident spends in an average year. Most everything a NR brings to the state they bring on a trailer and was purchased elsewhere. Whereas a resident purchased almost everything inside the state. If a NR drives 1000 miles to hunt Wayne National Forrest or a resident drives 100 miles to hunt Wayne National Forrest, odds are the resident still spent more money in the state of Ohio. Their needs while hunting will be the same. The difference is 90% of the things the NR bought we're purchased out of state. Even truck he drove and the trailer he used to haul it all here. The bow in his hands, the grill he's cooking on, the camo on his back, right down to the paper he wipes his butt with, odds are it was all purchased out of state and didn't add a penny to the state economy. The reverse could be said for the resident. Almost everything he purchased he purchased in Ohio and supported his local economy. Residents travel around the state to hunt also. Most go to deer camps or other locations off and on throughout the season. The cost for the resident to make the hunting trip puts far more money in the local economy than a NR who drove a thousand miles. The reason is the money spent inside the state line is all that that matters, the residents trip started and ended in the state

 

[runhunter]

I agree. Valid points. I also look at it this way....I'm paying $125 for a license and essentially get 7-10 days worth of hunting. That depends on how many trips I want to make ya know. But it's not a complaint. I've paid $190 to hunt western KY for a 3 day rifle sit.

 

[finelyshedded]

I'm not aiming this at you but at the logic. This is a huge myth that a lot of people don't understand when talking about Resident vs NR hunters and money spent in the state. The hunting industry in Ohio is a billion dollar industry. NR hunters are a very insignificant portion of that. While it is true that they spend a little money inside the state it's miniscule compared to what a resident spends in an average year. Most everything a NR brings to the state they bring on a trailer and was purchased elsewhere. Whereas a resident purchased almost everything inside the state. If a NR drives 1000 miles to hunt Wayne National Forrest or a resident drives 100 miles to hunt Wayne National Forrest, odds are the resident still spent more money in the state of Ohio. Their needs while hunting will be the same. The difference is 90% of the things the NR bought we're purchased out of state. Even truck he drove and the trailer he used to haul it all here. The bow in his hands, the grill he's cooking on, the camo on his back, right down to the paper he wipes his butt with, odds are it was all purchased out of state and didn't add a penny to the state economy. The reverse could be said for the resident. Almost everything he purchased he purchased in Ohio and supported his local economy. Residents travel around the state to hunt also. Most go to deer camps or other locations off and on throughout the season. The cost for the resident to make the hunting trip puts far more money in the local economy than a NR who drove a thousand miles. The reason is the money spent inside the state line is all that that matters, the residents trip started and ended in the state

Very good point Joe, and lets not forget the taxes! I'm sure Chuck can relate to that!

 

[Mike]

I'm originally from Illinois, but never hunted there. My college roommate started deer hunting about the same time I did, six years ago. I wanted to plan a hunt there with him, but $400+ squashed that idea.

 

[ajupsman]

How the hell do I get a discount? And I'm pretty sure I do own my land Lol i just dont live on it, and I do hunt other farms, these people have been friends of mine for years. I manage habitat as best I can on the farms I hunt as well as the land I own. Can you do anything to help create and manage habitat on state land? Don't get all pissy cause you might have to fork out some more coin to hunt Ohio instead of stare at leaves in the fall. How about you get a hold of your DNR and ask them why deer hunting in NH sucks.

I think you got your non-residents mixed up here. I'm the one from NH who stares at leaves. :smiley_bril:

 

[ajupsman]

I'm not aiming this at you but at the logic. This is a huge myth that a lot of people don't understand when talking about Resident vs NR hunters and money spent in the state. The hunting industry in Ohio is a billion dollar industry. NR hunters are a very insignificant portion of that. While it is true that they spend a little money inside the state it's miniscule compared to what a resident spends in an average year. Most everything a NR brings to the state they bring on a trailer and was purchased elsewhere. Whereas a resident purchased almost everything inside the state. If a NR drives 1000 miles to hunt Wayne National Forrest or a resident drives 100 miles to hunt Wayne National Forrest, odds are the resident still spent more money in the state of Ohio. Their needs while hunting will be the same. The difference is 90% of the things the NR bought we're purchased out of state. Even truck he drove and the trailer he used to haul it all here. The bow in his hands, the grill he's cooking on, the camo on his back, right down to the paper he wipes his butt with, odds are it was all purchased out of state and didn't add a penny to the state economy. The reverse could be said for the resident. Almost everything he purchased he purchased in Ohio and supported his local economy. Residents travel around the state to hunt also. Most go to deer camps or other locations off and on throughout the season. The cost for the resident to make the hunting trip puts far more money in the local economy than a NR who drove a thousand miles. The reason is the money spent inside the state line is all that that matters, the residents trip started and ended in the state

Very valid points made here.

 

[Bigslam51]

I think you got your non-residents mixed up here. I'm the one from NH who stares at leaves. :smiley_bril:

Lol I guess I did

 

[ajupsman]

Pretty much healthy debate so far.... Don't take it personal..... Didn't see any attacks so far from what I read..... Always good too see where others are coming from is all.....

Well said.