Covid vaccinations

[giles]

Question for those of you that got it.

Will you got back in 3 months to get another one to keep current? Or is this a one and done?

My family is talking about getting it for my dad and the research and reasons they are giving are shocking. Even his doctors are not suggesting he gets it but the news has them arguing with the medical professionals. Tough spot to be in.

 

[Jackalope]

Question for those of you that got it.

Will you got back in 3 months to get another one to keep current? Or is this a one and done?

My family is talking about getting it for my dad and the research and reasons they are giving are shocking. Even his doctors are not suggesting he gets it but the news has them arguing with the medical professionals. Tough spot to be in.

Nobody knows if it's going to require a booster. Science would suggest it will. There is no publicly released studies on how long immunity will last and a I question why such a simple question hasn't been answered. The virus is also adapting.

However they are starting to condition the public to the fact that a booster may be required. Like anything you'll have some that never get it, some that do but won't get a booster, and some that would start sucking dick if their government told them it worked.

 

[Geezer II]

Question for those of you that got it.

Will you got back in 3 months to get another one to keep current? Or is this a one and done?

My family is talking about getting it for my dad and the research and reasons they are giving are shocking. Even his doctors are not suggesting he gets it but the news has them arguing with the medical professionals. Tough spot to be in.

Yeah thats a tough one. Why did his doc recommend against it? My docs and dentist all got it - well i got it so guess i will follow the science

 

[Geezer II]

Nobody knows if it's going to require a booster. Science would suggest it will. There is no publicly released studies on how long immunity will last and a I question why such a simple question hasn't been answered. The virus is also adapting.

However they are starting to condition the public to the fact that a booster may be required. Like anything you'll have some that never get it, some that do but won't get a booster, and some that would start sucking dick if their government told them it worked.

Like a yearly flu thingy

 

[giles]

Yeah thats a tough one. Why did his doc recommend against it? My docs and dentist all got it - well i got it so guess i will follow the science

He isn't doing well health wise.

 

[Geezer II]

He isn't doing well health wise.

Sorry to hear that - prayers sent

 

[giles]

Sorry to hear that - prayers sent

Thanks

It is all the wonders about the future of covid and vaccines that has me questioning it most. History doesn't show any other kind of knee jerk reaction to other things more deadly than this. And for my family to try and push this on a man that is already struggling...against the docs recommendation. I am a bit more than disappointed and pissed.

 

[Jackalope]

Yeah thats a tough one. Why did his doc recommend against it? My docs and dentist all got it - well i got it so guess i will follow the science

To clarify "the science". For the elderly, those with preexisting conditions, and those in high-risk occupations the risk suggests getting the vaccination is a prudent move. For the vast majority of the population under 50 with no real health conditions, the science indicates that they are in no real danger of being unvaccinated. The science on the vaccine itself, aka length of immunity, long-term health implications, and impacts to future medical advancements like genomic cancer treatment is yet undetermined.

 

[Geezer II]

To clarify "the science". For the elderly, those with preexisting conditions, and those in high-risk occupations the risk suggests getting the vaccination is a prudent move. For the vast majority of the population under 50 with no real health conditions, the science indicates that they are in no real danger of being unvaccinated. The science on the vaccine itself, aka length of immunity, long-term health implications, and impacts to future medical advancements like genomic cancer treatment is yet undetermined.

Yes modern medicine is amazing -

 

[Jackalope]

Yes modern medicine is amazing -

No doubt about that. Modern medicine has contributed to the increased lifespan and quality of life for untold numbers of people. Unfortunately something like a virus doesn't care how treatable their original condition was and negates a lot of that. Nature is a cruel bitch of which us animals are still vulnerable to her ebb and flow. I keep saying that we should be thankful that this wasn't SARS 1 or MERS because 15-30% of the population would likely be dead. In the scope of things we're lucky and it was a shot across the bow.

 

[Geezer II]

No doubt about that. Modern medicine has contributed to the increased lifespan and quality of life for untold numbers of people. Unfortunately something like a virus doesn't care how treatable their original condition was and negates a lot of that. Nature is a cruel bitch of which us animals are still vulnerable to her ebb and flow. I keep saying that we should be thankful that this wasn't SARS 1 or MERS because 15-30% of the population would likely be dead. In the scope of things we're lucky and it was a shot across the bow.

Yes sir

 

[Schu72]

The more the virus replicates, the more it can mutate.

 

[Geezer II]

The more the virus replicates, the more it can mutate.

Yes has to be in a living cell to replicate - can't replicate by its self - the more it spreads the more it can replicate

 

[giles]

Yes has to be in a living cell to replicate - can't replicate by its self - the more it spreads the more it can replicate

And the "vaccine" doesn't stop the spread. So it is ultimately hurting the process of this ending.

 

[Schu72]

And the "vaccine" doesn't stop the spread. So it is ultimately hurting the process of this ending.

Wrong Dave, every major study is showing they are effective at stopping the spread, limiting viral load, and reducing symptoms and hospitalizations.

 

[Geezer II]

And the "vaccine" doesn't stop the spread. So it is ultimately hurting the process of this ending.

Schu 72 - is correct

 

[Jamie]

how does a vaccine stop the spread of a virus? or do you mean that it merely helps to slow the spread? does it simply shorten the time a host is able to spread it, thereby reducing the chance of giving it to somebody else?

 

[giles]

I am not reading the same things. I am reading that it reduces symptoms but you are still a carrier/spreader.

 

[Jackalope]

Wrong Dave, every major study is showing they are effective at stopping the spread, limiting viral load, and reducing symptoms and hospitalizations.

Stopping? Ehhhhhhhhh. Not completely. , drastically reducing, certainly. If a person can still be infected they can still produce the virus, not at the same level as an unvaccinated person though. A vaccinated person will be less contagious than a vaccinated person due to viral load. But then we get into the semantics of vaccinated asymptomatic spreaders vs unvaccinated symptomatic ones who can self-diagnose and reduce contact. To call it a "vaccine" is somewhat of a misnomer, it does not give immunity to covid DNA or stop the replication of that DNA, it gives an immune response to the spike protein used to deliver covid to someone's cells. Meaning they can still be infected and produce the virus. Will it reduce the R-value? Certainly. Will it reduce the R-value to below 1 where the virus is in decline vs spreading, that is yet to be seen.

 

[Jackalope]

If you go and look on the net for data on how long the vaccine provides covid protection you'll find a whole lot of "we're not sure" and "It's too early to tell" despite recipients going back over 120 days now. Sure doesn't seem like anyone is in much of a hurry to look at the durability of vaccine immunity. I did come across this a moment ago on a news site. Troubling to say the least. The graphic is showing a sharp decline in the vaccine's ability to prevent hospital admissions after 35 days. The study was conducted as a joint effort of 5 universities and Scotland public health, go figure. I wonder where the CDC is on this?