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Turkey Season LIVE! - 2022 Edition

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It's a way to increase opportunity for the kids and limit it for the adults. Pretty intuitive to me actually. It's in line with letting kids hunt deer with a gun during the rut, but adults don't. We make concessions to allow kids to have more, and better, opportunities in the woods so that it aids in hunter recruitment and retention, whereas the adults are hunting primarily (from a scientific standpoint) to manage a population.
 

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It's a way to increase opportunity for the kids and limit it for the adults. Pretty intuitive to me actually. It's in line with letting kids hunt deer with a gun during the rut, but adults don't. We make concessions to allow kids to have more, and better, opportunities in the woods so that it aids in hunter recruitment and retention, whereas the adults are hunting primarily (from a scientific standpoint) to manage a population.
But wasn't the original reason why hunters had to be out by noon due to turkeys roosting early and preventing hunters from shooting them out of trees? Wasn't the noon rule a week longer in years past? I'm not attaching youth hunting, have they always been able to hunt all day? I am genuinely asking, has the science changed (admitting the noon roost theory is b.s) and the state is just limiting adult access to maintain the population? Only reason I ask, students and I were talking turkeys and looking at pics, one boy has them coming out at 3 p.m and he didnt think he could hunt after noon, another student said you could, we looked it up, it made his day and he will probably kill a thunder chicken by 315 p.m tommorow. Hunter recruitment and retention debate/argument is whole other can worms that is better saved for a camp fire during a gathering.
 
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Live from the bedroom: 2 Tom’s. 6 jakes. 8+ hens.
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But wasn't the original reason why hunters had to be out by noon due to turkeys roosting early and preventing hunters from shooting them out of trees? Wasn't the noon rule a week longer in years past? I'm not attaching youth hunting, have they always been able to hunt all day? I am genuinely asking, has the science changed (admitting the noon roost theory is b.s) and the state is just limiting adult access to maintain the population? Only reason I ask, students and I were talking turkeys and looking at pics, one boy has them coming out at 3 p.m and he didnt think he could hunt after noon, another student said you could, we looked it up, it made his day and he will probably kill a thunder chicken by 315 p.m tommorow. Hunter recruitment and retention debate/argument is whole other can worms that is better saved for a camp fire during a gathering.
As @Sgt Fury said, the noon rule was implemented primarily to prevent hens from being disturbed on the nest. It's illegal to shoot them off the roost regardless of shooting times, so that has nothing to do with hunting hours. For decades, we could only hunt until noon and it wasn't until recent years that they extended the hours for the last two weeks. The youth season is only 2 days that takes place two full weeks before the main season, which typically, is well before egg-laying and nesting are in full swing. Again, I've never heard of the noon roost theory and if that was even a thing, it remains illegal to kill them in the tree even if it's during legal hours.

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The noon quit time never made sense for bumping hens off nests. You could take your gun home and go back to the woods and look for Morels.
The start of season is supposed to coincide with nesting. So each year nesting moves forward by a day until it moves back by a week? Another one that makes no sense. I've always said season should start on the same day each year regardless of day of the week if they really believe in their "nesting" dates.
 

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I always have known you couldn't shoot turkeys out of trees, I think was told the roast thing when I younger and never questioned it (we really never had turkeys where I lived growing up), I am not a turkey hunter, I am just a guy that hunts turkeys, I learned few new things in the last hour on this thread, I wish I would of worded/structured my original question differently so I didnt look look like a jerk.
 
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The noon quit time never made sense for bumping hens off nests. You could take your gun home and go back to the woods and look for Morels.
The start of season is supposed to coincide with nesting. So each year nesting moves forward by a day until it moves back by a week? Another one that makes no sense. I've always said season should start on the same day each year regardless of day of the week if they really believe in their "nesting" dates.
I don’t think they want to make the woods off limits to everyone (like they do on certain beaches when the piping plovers are nesting), but want to limit the chances of hunters stomping through the woods and bumping the hens off of the nests. It makes it vulnerable to predators such as crows, and also the egg temps could drop if she takes too long getting back. When she lays the eggs, they can get cold but once she starts to sit, they need to stay warm as the chicks are now starting to develop. She will wait until she gathers a clutch so that all of the chicks will hatch out at the same time…so once she decides to start sitting, anything that can be done to diminish the chances of a nest failure is a good thing.
 
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The noon quit time is merely intended to limit SOME activity as obviously it doesn't prevent shroomers, hikers, shed hunters, etc., from bumble-fugging through the woods whenever they want. That said, turkey hunting is a very intentional endeavor that's condensed due to time constraints in a way other springtime activities are not. By limiting the time frame turkeys hunters are runnin'-and-gunnin', they can limit the times we kick up a hen off her nest. There's no absolute fix to that problem, but we can take precautionary measures to not exacerbate the issue.

Look at me. Defending the ODNR. I've gone mad 😂
 

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I don’t think they want to make the woods off limits to everyone (like they do on certain beaches when the piping plovers are nesting), but want to limit the chances of hunters stomping through the woods and bumping the hens off of the nests. It makes it vulnerable to predators such as crows, and also the egg temps could drop if she takes too long getting back. When she lays the eggs, they can get cold but once she starts to sit, they need to stay warm as the chicks are now starting to develop. She will wait until she gathers a clutch so that all of the chicks will hatch out at the same time…so once she decides to start sitting, anything that can be done to diminish the chances of a nest failure is a good thing.
Yeah I understand all of that. I also understand that predators are more detrimental to nesting than everything else combined. Until the state promotes predator control anything else they do is just to pat themselves on the back and say look what we did. It’s not going to make a difference.
 

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Yeah I understand all of that. I also understand that predators are more detrimental to nesting than everything else combined. Until the state promotes predator control anything else they do is just to pat themselves on the back and say look what we did. It’s not going to make a difference.
It's not like the state has a great record of giving two shits about a quality hunting experience.

In my hunting time alone:
Ruffed Grouse nearly extirpated
Deer numbers plummeted and raped on public ground
Now turkey numbers are dropping...
 

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Keep in mind grouse and turkey # declines are not unique to Ohio. That's a much bigger conversation regarding habitat loss on a national level. The latest Bear Grease podcast from MeatEater is a good listen to understand why that's such an issue at the moment.
 

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Keep in mind grouse and turkey # declines are not unique to Ohio. That's a much bigger conversation regarding habitat loss on a national level. The latest Bear Grease podcast from MeatEater is a good listen to understand why that's such an issue at the moment.
But have they done ANYTHING to address them?

Other than investing in more public land for access what has the ODNR done to positively influence the hunting experience in our lifetime?

Their last successes were turkeys and deer and they are doing a great job of not maintaining that success.
 
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I'm in agreement that they've not done enough to improve habitat (statewide) and that generally speaking, the DOW is more worried about the perception of quality hunting experiences in Ohio than the actual quality of said experiences. Until they see the decline on the P&L, it'll be status quo.
 

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I'm not sure the noon time is really about the hens on a nest it's more time for the Tom's to breed them before they get shot. Most hens are bred in my area or are on nests by the second week of season.
 
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I'm not sure the noon time is really about the hens on a nest it's more time for the Tom's to breed them before they get shot. Most hens are bred in my area or are on nests by the second week of season.
Wild turkey hens can store sperm from the Tom and only need to be bred once or twice although they sometimes breed more often. One Tom can service a lot of hens over the course of a breeding season.
 

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Walked 3 miles this evening covering most of the fields on the farm. Saw >50 deer, 3 raccoons and no turkeys in the fields. I was hooting from 7-8:30ish and no shock gobbles. I did spy 5-6 turkeys up in their roost and was under 200 yards away and they couldn't have given any less of a care that I was hitting my owl call and just sat there.

Oh well, I at least have a plan for the morning as I know where that group is at and where (probably) that same group has been spotted the last few days. We'll give it a shot at least.
 

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Just to clarify my comment about my belief of noon roosting I made earlier, which is one the more embarrassing stupid things I have done/thought as an adult. When I was a teenager I was hunting with one my uncles buddies ( I was really just tagging along) and we were leaving and it was important that we were out of the woods by noon due to the law, I asked why can't we hunt later, he told me that the Toms go to roost in the early afternoon and it was a way to keep slob hunters from shooting them out of trees and he used one of his other buddies as an example of someone who probably couldn't help themselves. I never realized he was pulling my leg and literally went 20 years not really giving it any thought, thinking that some turkeys did a mid day roost in the second part of April. It was until today and I am completely embarrassed even writing this explanation, but feel I need to some how explain my stupidity. Good luck to all the youth tommorow.
 

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Just to clarify my comment about my belief of noon roosting I made earlier, which is one the more embarrassing stupid things I have done/thought as an adult. When I was a teenager I was hunting with one my uncles buddies ( I was really just tagging along) and we were leaving and it was important that we were out of the woods by noon due to the law, I asked why can't we hunt later, he told me that the Toms go to roost in the early afternoon and it was a way to keep slob hunters from shooting them out of trees and he used one of his other buddies as an example of someone who probably couldn't help themselves. I never realized he was pulling my leg and literally went 20 years not really giving it any thought, thinking that some turkeys did a mid day roost in the second part of April. It was until today and I am completely embarrassed even writing this explanation, but feel I need to some how explain my stupidity. Good luck to all the youth tommorow.
For what it’s worth, I have seen turkeys in trees at mid day.