Corner-crossing hunters claim ‘shared airspace’ in trespassing defense.

[giles]

I have mixed feelings on this issue, I understand getting access to public tracks of lands, but I am not sure I would want people crossing my property at the corner. Especially if I owned two of the corners, if there were four tracts involved.

So don't buy the land. Problem solved

 

[Bigcountry40]

I have mixed feelings on this issue, I understand getting access to public tracks of lands, but I am not sure I would want people crossing my property at the corner. Especially if I owned two of the corners, if there were four tracts involved.

These tracts of lands are not small midwestern plots , if they were I could understand the property owners bitch. wyoming has/had 4 million acres land locked. With draw/tag system they have it won’t increase pressure that much. Western state limit the amount of big game hunters, unlike most of the midwest

 

[Jackalope]

Pffft…. I think it would be a great idea to clearly mark a 30’ path/road between the two tracts of public land to provide access. Call it a right of way, whatever. There is no good reason for folks to have to use a ladder to get access to public ground from public ground. “Owning” ground is such a ridiculous concept in reality. How the heck does a man own the earth he will be buried in. Owning ground does nothing but guarantee you the right to pay taxes on it and have some say in who will utilize it…. Unless of course the govt determines to implement eminent domain and build a road. Unreasonable landowners like this clown should suffer the inconvenience of a brand new road connecting the two public parcels.

Agreed. 30' right of way.

 

[Jackalope]

These tracts of lands are not small midwestern plots , if they were I could understand the property owners bitch. wyoming has/had 4 million acres land locked. With draw/tag system they have it won’t increase pressure that much. Western state limit the amount of big game hunters, unlike most of the midwest

Yep. The landowners biggest complaint for damages was it would devalue his land, The devaluation comes from his guide business not being able to prohibit access to public land elk

 

[Bigcountry40]

Yep. The landowners biggest complaint for damages was it would devalue his land, The devaluation comes from his guide business not being able to prohibit access to public land elk

Yeah I feel terrible for the multi millionaire rancher who inherited the land through homesteading, etc. If my boys and I want to walk 20 miles through the shit and pack out 400# of meat corner crossing to kill an elk for $750 and 5 years off our lives, let the poor boys have their day too!

 

[Big_Holla]

There should be some sort of right of way or access between the corners in these situations. Conservation easement maybe.

 

[Clay Showalter]

So don't buy the land. Problem solved

What does that have to do with anything, it is his property? If people don't like the way the property lines are they can try and buy it.

These tracts of lands are not small midwestern plots , if they were I could understand the property owners bitch. wyoming has/had 4 million acres land locked. With draw/tag system they have it won’t increase pressure that much. Western state limit the amount of big game hunters, unlike most of the midwest

I know the tracts of land are huge tracts of land, the government created the problem. I know here in NC we have lots of landlocked state game lands that many of which were given to the state by part of people's estates when they passed away.

I agree the rich guy is being a jerk about the "value" of his land and the damages, he claims this would cause. I am just a big property rights guy.

I am also almost always against eminent domain, to take private property, which is what would be required to put an easement across an unwilling private property owners land.

 

[Clay Showalter]

Also my last thought, I am not trying to start a fight. If the current property owner of any parcel of land acquired said property legally, it is theirs to do with as they ask. Clearly the guy is being an ass, but it is his property; the size of the tracts doesn't matter.

 

[Bigcountry40]

What does that have to do with anything, it is his property? If people don't like the way the property lines are they can try and buy it.

I know the tracts of land are huge tracts of land, the government created the problem. I know here in NC we have lots of landlocked state game lands that many of which were given to the state by part of people's estates when they passed away.

I agree the rich guy is being a jerk about the "value" of his land and the damages, he claims this would cause. I am just a big property rights guy.

I am also almost always against eminent domain, to take private property, which is what would be required to put an easement across an unwilling private property owners land.

the ladders the hunters made never touched private property, just it’s air space, so there is no easement, only hunters who want to walk could access, no horses, no bikes. Each one of these checker board corners crossing would require a ladder bridge

 

[Clay Showalter]

the ladders the hunters made never touched private property, just it’s air space, so there is no easement, only hunters who want to walk could access, no horses, no bikes.

I know but what are limits to "air space?" These things almost always spread to more. None of us would want someone in our air space. Again I have mixed feelings, I can see both sides. It will be interesting to see how this is used by other people accessing land in other states, public and private.

 

[Bigcountry40]

Also my last thought, I am not trying to start a fight. If the current property owner of any parcel of land acquired said property legally, it is theirs to do with as they ask. Clearly the guy is being an ass, but it is his property; the size of the tracts doesn't matter.

But they literally never touched his property, it’s just like fishing in a stream in waders or boat you can access up to high water mark, people can’t own the stream other than some obscure place in Virginia.

 

[Jackalope]

There should be some sort of right of way or access between the corners in these situations. Conservation easement maybe.

There is now. . Federal Case law. Corner hoping is legal.

 

[brock ratcliff]

But they literally never touched his property, it’s just like fishing in a stream in waders or boat you can access up to high water mark, people can’t own the stream other than some obscure place in Virginia.

It’s not the same, at least in Ohio. You can float any navigable water. You cannot wade or anchor without permission.

 

[Bigcountry40]

It’s not the same, at least in Ohio. You can float any navigable water. You cannot wade or anchor without permission.

I knew 99% of the united state water ways were navigable, wading and anchoring does differ state to state, I never that about Ohio.

 

[giles]

But they literally never touched his property, it’s just like fishing in a stream in waders or boat you can access up to high water mark, people can’t own the stream other than some obscure place in Virginia.

What Brock said is correct for ohio. The water itself is public for public waterways, the land is the property owners. Kinda follows the same rules as not need a license to fish a private pond but needing one to fish the creek behind my house. The state owns the fish in the creek, I own the fish in my pond. I knew this when I bought my property and it makes me smile when I hear kids down in the creek. Nothing to get upset about. I'm happy land owners didn't run me out of the creeks and rivers when I was a kid. This "mine" attitude is what is running the future generations away from the outdoors. Sucks that some people are so possessive and flat out DICK's about "their" land.