Dock workers strike

[Bigcountry40]

Maybe you don't realize I was in a union for 6 years?

As a business owner I do NOT come in at a higher than giraffe coochie price and negotiate down. I would look like a crook for asking such a high price to start with. I bid to make a fair wage. If they don't like it, maybe we can lower their needs/wants or hire someone else. We have a waiting list. I'm not losing sleep over it.

In a free market they laugh off the demands of the union. They hire other workers at $100-125k/yr and maybe $15-20k benefit packages. I'm not here to bash unions. They served (past tense) their place. It was a great thing we had them at the time. Unfortunately, it seems like they are pricing their workers out of jobs now.

I would argue that the more successful a small business gets the more they become like a union with their fellow small business competitors. If I were to call 3 successful well respected tree trimming companies, all would be within a couple hundred of each other on the higher end of bidding. What’s the difference between that an a well skilled set of tradesmen bargaining better wages . If a company wants their shit unloaded by sketchy fuck sticks, it may end up on the bottom of the ocean much like a shitty tree trimming business puts tree through your house.

 

[hickslawns]

If you say so. I get your thinking. Maybe in small towns it could happen. If you are a successful business you know you incremental costs of doing business. You establish pricing based upon costs and desired profit margin. Unless you have a niche market with no competition. . . Most of them have similar costs and bid as high as they feel their local market will bear. There is some validity in what you say. I don't think there is price fixing taking place though. Not for me anyway. That is illegal.

 

[Dannmann801]

https://x.com/JPo1369/status/1840945873364131988?t=4NYCqvTCwUzM6VosO90HBg&s=19

 

[Dannmann801]

I didn't know about the automaton thing

 

[Hedgelj]

https://x.com/JPo1369/status/1840945873364131988?t=4NYCqvTCwUzM6VosO90HBg&s=19

She had a few points but her vulgarity ridden tweet or tic tack was full of propaganda as well.....

He's notdoing it for the American people, it's a job for a paycheck, get off your high horseand quit trying to use patriotism to win yourargument. It's weak.

 

[bowhunter1023]

Good time to hire a bunch of company men/women and let the union take care of their own.

 

[Big_Holla]

Port performance index for 2023

US ports are in the bottom 100

This strike isn't (as much) about getting more $$ IMO, it's about keeping automation out of the ports. However, that is also why things cost so much when you lose efficiency at the first stop coming into/out of the country. It's just like the auto industry IMO, you lose jobs with automation at the work location however you will get jobs on the repair and maintenance of the equipment.

 

[Big_Holla]

 

[Jackalope]

Port performance index for 2023

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US ports are in the bottom 100

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This strike isn't (as much) about getting more $$ IMO, it's about keeping automation out of the ports. However, that is also why things cost so much when you lose efficiency at the first stop coming into/out of the country. It's just like the auto industry IMO, you lose jobs with automation at the work location however you will get jobs on the repair and maintenance of the equipment.

Bingo. It's all about slowing automation. Come in with some crazy high salary demands and a limit to the implementation of automation. In the end, take a little increase in salary but win the ability to keep automation out of the ports and maintain jobs and salaries for years to come. The worst thing that could happen is they accept the salary demand but refuse the automation demand. That creates an even larger incentive to speed up the use of automation to cut the impact of the new increase in labor costs.

The problem is you can't fight automation implementation, it's going to happen. In our lifetime we will see completely autonomous shipping be it rail, truck, ship etc. Over-the-road trucking will be the slowest as they share roads with motorists. But rail and shipping are ripe for automation, especially self-driving. Even unloading / loading.

 

[Dannmann801]

Fuggin Skynet