I know your right. We just all need to wack 4 or 5 does and take the edge off when the season gets here.
2012 broadhead selections
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I know your right. We just all need to wack 4 or 5 does and take the edge off when the season gets here.
No...I cannot....WHen I was shooting 60 lbs on broadside deer I had no issue going through....
Can you verify he is shooting 60 lbs? Also what is his draw length? speed? and arrow weight???
Just outof curiosity to compare with my 2008 set up
I know exit holes make you guys feel warm and cozy....but I really am not all that concerned with them...It doesnt change the outcome of my harvest
Also being the fanatics they are, you think i drurys had issues with Rages not "working" they would still shoot them??? Its not like they couldnt shoot any head they wanted to...
Also, maybe I havent made this clear enough by now....Im not really too concerned with what everyone results are with rages.... They have worked extremely well for me....and thats really all Im concerned about....I guess someday if I ever shoot a deer in the ass Ill see how they work at that end of the body also
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I am with Carpn here. Season needs to get here. Maybe i will check trail cameras tomorrow, then shoot the bow a little. THat will make me feel a little better. lmao
I am with Carpn here. Season needs to get here. Maybe i will check trail cameras tomorrow, then shoot the bow a little. THat will make me feel a little better. lmao
Milo
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it seems pointless to even attempt a meaningful conversation at this point honestly.
Kaiser, you need to go fishing for a while....
What happens if your rage hits a shoulder bone at 25 -30 yards? Does it implode or will it punch right through?
I have always been a fan of fixed blade heads. I know you have had good luck with rage heads, but you are a much better shot than the majority of bowhunters.
I have been on the tracking end of some rage shots and I have seen good, and I have seen very bad. I have seen it where the broadhead went into a deer and didn't penetrate very far even though it didn't hit anything solid. I want as much penetration as possible, and 2 holes are always better than 1 in my opinion. For those reasons I will continue to shoot fixed blade heads.
What happens if your rage hits a shoulder bone at 25 -30 yards? Does it implode or will it punch right through?
I have always been a fan of fixed blade heads. I know you have had good luck with rage heads, but you are a much better shot than the majority of bowhunters.
I have been on the tracking end of some rage shots and I have seen good, and I have seen very bad. I have seen it where the broadhead went into a deer and didn't penetrate very far even though it didn't hit anything solid. I want as much penetration as possible, and 2 holes are always better than 1 in my opinion. For those reasons I will continue to shoot fixed blade heads.
I helped a friend, who I don't believe is a good shot, track a few years back a deer shot from a rage. It got minimal penetration and we could not find the deer. I was only able to help briefly. This dude looses SEVERAL deer per year. I do not contribute this to the rage as much as I do to him... He sucks with guns too!
I like to think that the shot placement is more crucial.
To each his own I guess. Good luck gents in your "great debate!" at least it is good reading!
I like to think that the shot placement is more crucial.
To each his own I guess. Good luck gents in your "great debate!" at least it is good reading!
Aint that the truth...Tomorrow I will
There is one spot on a shoulder that will tear a Rage up...That is the joint where the leg bone makes the socket in the shoulder...A shoulder blade is no issue....It is thin and I have punched rages throguh them before. many times actually... I have bent blades doing this, but that isnt really an issue...Ill just go buy more or replace the blades if need be.
I know you like your crimson talons....I Would never try to tell you not to shoot them. The deer I have helped you track they did very well on...Technically only one was truly a track job..its what you like...Just like Joe and jesse like STs. Hey its what you are comfrotable with...I really have no reason to switch from Rages. I always have a montec or two in my quiver, So if I was gonig to shoot a fixed blade id probably shoot a montec... I guess it will take something major to happen before I Would switch from rages though....But its highly unlikely.... I jsut liek them....I shoot them, they go though deer and they fall over...Isnt that whats suppsoed to happen..
Also, like I said, pass throughs are not that important to me....But Every deer I have shot in the last 2 years with a rage the arrow has passed through...So I Dont see the pass through dilemma.
All we are saying is that some day you will have a failure and you will see the dilemma. It may come as a surprise, but you are not perfect and neither is your equipment. You are just as capable of making a bad shot as the next guy, and those Rages are just as likely to fail for you as they are for Mark Drury or Joe Blow. My biggest issue with your argument is the fact that you are arguing ABSOLUTES and there are no absolutes in this sport. Just because it hasn't happened to date, does not mean that it won't happen. I only had one issue with the six deer I killed with Rages, but it was enough to leave room for doubt to creep in my mind. I admitted that the most devastation I ever caused to a deer came from a Rage, so I know they are built to kill. However, they are innately built to fail as well because they are mechanical and anything mechanical, can and will fail at some point. I could honestly give a fuck what broadhead you shoot, but when you try to sell me a bill of goods that these things are flawless and as tough as some fixed blades, I have to call bullshit. The way you talk about the Rages, one would think they are paying you to come here and do so. Take off the blinders and realize that the Rages have flaws and limitations, whether you have seen it first hand or not. Are they lethal? Hell yes they are. Are they perfect? Not by any stretch of the imagination. But to hear you tell it, they are the greatest thing since sliced bread and the vast majority of us here know that simply ain't the case...
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Zack, Argue your point about the blades, noone is taking ribs at you personally or the deer you shoot. Keep the shots clean bro.
Why I would never shoot a rage... Take a simple piece of card board. Take your rage head and push it through. Then take a fixed blade head and do the same. The fixed blade will be much easier to push through. two holes are better than one Zach. Your should stop hunting if you dissagree with that. Also my broadheads fly just fine and they cut every time. I don't care what others shoot. It's a personal choice however one would think they would want as many variables out of the question as possible and a mechanical head is a big variable. All broadheads will work however a fixed blade will cut 100% of the time. and im not just picking on rage.
C'mon man. This is just pot stirring and poking the dog thru the fence. I have no problem with either one of you guys, but I feel obligated to say something here. Both of you work hard year round for the deer you kill. I know Joe has been scouting dang near every night. I have read it on here myself. I am sure you are doing the same. Doesn't matter where you are hunting. If you both lived in Allen/Auglaize/Van Wert county or any other low deer density county, I am certain you two would both work your butts off pre season and during the season. That has nothing to do with broad head debates. Let's keep it civil though. You know you were just instigating with that comment Kaiser.
As far as that is concerned, I think there have been decent arguments from both sides. I am going to stick to fixed blades, but that doesn't mean if I hit one in the neck or in the guts that I wouldn't wonder if I would have been better off with an extra 1/2" of blade. I am still going to wait for the best percentage shot no matter what I am shooting. That is just me though. I realize, deer move and stuff happens during the moment of truth. This is my reasoning for fixed broad heads.
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You mean 1/4 inch less blade right? 1 1/8 + 1 1/8 = 2.25 inches of blade. 1 + 1 = 2 inches of blade.
If/when it does happen I will fully admit it happened and reassess my decision to shoot rages....Im not to proud to admit my defeats....I just honestly like Rages and have had great luck with them...Thats really all I have to say about this subject at this time..Im sorry if I have hurt anyones feelings during our squabble!
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And nobody is faulting you for shooting them. Shoot what you want. I don't care if someone shoots 9 dollar Allen BHs from Wal-Mart. Just know the limitations. You say you're capable of admitting your defeats when one fails you. Yet you would never admit the fact that Rage BH has a higher probability of failure than better designed heads. It's irrefutable that a ST will perform better under adverse conditions. Material quality and design alone proves that. As we started this discussion it's about removing variables and odds of failure. You choose to do that by being more picky with your shots.. I choose to do that with equipment and be ready for any shot given. Both are right. Just one has more disadvantages than the other. Are there better heads than ST? Sure. Are their worse BHs than rages. Sure. But the ST is the tougher head. It's not opinion, it's engineering science. And like you, i've said about all I can say on the subject.
My feelings ain't hurt in the least bit man. Like I said, I don't care what anyone put on the end of their arrows so long as they are sharp and ready for business. I just like to argue... lmao
Did you guys ever have problems bending ferals on the ST heads? I shot em a few yrs ago but had problems bending ferals anytime I would shoot thru something and hit anything hard. My target was junk. When it came time to buy more broaheads I ended up trying some thing different. They did fine on the deer I shot with them. Nothing spectacular for me tho as far as carnage. But they killed
