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brock ratcliff

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With all the meat packing company's shutting down, other than your wild game stock pile, are you worried about a beef, pork and chicken shortage?
Valid concern for many. I’m not one of them for now. One of my buddies has a revolving herd of 1200-1500. He is one of the fortunate cattle farms, his buyers are still taking cattle by the truckloads. Many do not have anyone to sell to. If the processing thing becomes an issue, it will not effect us until the local meat supply runs out.
 

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I'd say the question might ought to be; How long will it be before we start seeing news stories like this? CoVid-19 causes increase cases of modern day cattle rustling :unsure:
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FEBRUARY 19, 2019 07:34 PM

"lead man at a north Franklin County dairy farm, his brother and father are accused of rustling at least 178 cattle over a couple of years and selling them for cash."

Source: https://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/local/crime/article226472460.html
 

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A SAILOR TAKING A STAND.
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'LAND OF THE FREE': Protester wears US Navy uniform and refuses to leave the ocean amid beach closures

Apr 17, 2020

A man stands on the ocean front as a law enforcement officer watches,

A man wearing the US Navy uniform went to the oceanfront in Emerald Isle, North Carolina, on Thursday, in an apparent protest against the town's restrictions amid the coronavirus pandemic.

The man, who was identified by a witness as a retired US Navy chief, was seen photographed standing in front of a sign that read "LAND OF THE FREE."

Mike Conner, a longtime resident of Emerald Isle and a surfer, told Insider the retired sailor stood in the waters for about 10 minutes before he was approached by law enforcement officers. Conner said the man was asked to remove himself from the area, but refused the request.

The sailor eventually left the water on his own accord without incident, Conner added.

The man wore the full Navy Service Dress Blue, which is made from wool and is allowed to worn year-round to all official, formal events. The price for the full uniform is well over $300, which includes stitched rank and a service cover.

Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/us-navy-protest-beach-closures-uniform-north-carolina-2020-4
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Beach opens hours after this man took a stand.
 

Ohiosam

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With all the meat packing company's shutting down, other than your wild game stock pile, are you worried about a beef, pork and chicken shortage?
The local packing houses can’t hardly keep up with demand.
There’s real concern that with the big plants shut down that hogs and cattle might be euthanized because they’re finished and having to feed them indefinitely isn’t a viable option. Egg producers are paying soup canneries to take their old hens.
 
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Jackalope

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I'd say the question might ought to be; How long will it be before we start seeing news stories like this? CoVid-19 causes increase cases of modern day cattle rustling :unsure:
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FEBRUARY 19, 2019 07:34 PM

"lead man at a north Franklin County dairy farm, his brother and father are accused of rustling at least 178 cattle over a couple of years and selling them for cash."

Source: https://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/local/crime/article226472460.html

Not long. I was amazed in Arizona while elk hunting how many cattle were just roaming around public land on grazing allotments. I'm talking miles from a road in the middle of the woods. I could have easily shot one, loaded it in a trailer, and probably been back in Ohio with it half eaten before anyone noticed it missing.
 

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I haven't been watching or paying attention to any of the press briefings lately, both federal & local state. They've all been a big waste of my time.

Anyhow, apparently yesterday, I missed a 'hot mic' episode just before the federal presser that captured a Fox News reporter making some rather interesting comments. You can watch, read & listen to it below by clicking to the link.

You might want to turn down your volume first though cause my copy of the video is a bit loud.

I also have the original twitter source and the mentioned study report within the video description section along with several other resources that I have collected over the past week.

Most all of my resources will prove to be interesting to say the very least. Although, I'm quite certain that some of you will label me as a tinfoil-er or whatever, which is just fine if that's what will make you feel better.

The bottom line is this for me,,,,

I do believe people are getting sick, however I have difficulty believing the official story. I believe that our country and others were deliberately attacked by bad characters, which will be proven at some point sooner or later. CCP allowed millions of infected Chinese to travel internationally, however none were allowed to travel to other regions of China at the early onset of the outbreak. That took place well before other nations knew that there was a real big problem. CCP used their own people to be the weapon knowingly.

There are several other agendas/programs happening/at play simultaneously currently. All of them are NOT considered to be good in my book. Globalist elites/billionaires/governments are temperately in control obviously. We're all under house arrest and nearly jobless basically...

Regardless, you can count of the fact that I'll do everything in my power to protect my interests, my family, my property and then of course, my country to the best of my abilities, in resolute without hesitation, guaranteed!

So, here's my video link below with the original twitter source within the description area, additional reference materials, official researched documents, media/video resources, website and so on in case any of you are interested in just some of the stuff I have collected over the past week or so.
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https://videos.utahgunexchange.com/...hitehouse-press-briefing_5PiXc7us8xrSL32.html

Preliminary results of USC-LA County COVID-19 study released
April 20, 2020

USC-LA County Study: Early Results of Antibody Testing Suggest Number of COVID-19 Infections Far Exceeds Number of Confirmed Cases in Los Angeles County

Watch the L.A. County Department of Public Health briefing livestream at 1 p.m. on Facebook.
Contact: Leigh Hopper, USC Media Relations, uscnews@usc.edu or (213) 740-2215;
Carl Kemp, LA County Public Health Communications, ckemp@ph.lacounty.gov or (323) 365-7260

Los Angeles (April 20, 2020) – USC and the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health (Public Health) today released preliminary results from a collaborative scientific study that suggests infections from the new coronavirus are far more widespread – and the fatality rate much lower — in L.A. County than previously thought.
The results are from the first round of an ongoing study by USC researchers and Public Health officials. They will be conducting antibody testing over time on a series of representative samples of adults to determine the scope and spread of the pandemic across the county.
Based on results of the first round of testing, the research team estimates that approximately 4.1% of the county’s adult population has antibody to the virus. Adjusting this estimate for statistical margin of error implies about 2.8% to 5.6% of the county’s adult population has antibody to the virus— which translates to approximately 221,000 to 442,000 adults in the county who have had the infection. That estimate is 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported to the county by the time of the study in early April. The number of COVID-related deaths in the county has now surpassed 600.
“We haven’t known the true extent of COVID-19 infections in our community because we have only tested people with symptoms, and the availability of tests has been limited,” said lead investigator Neeraj Sood, a USC professor of public policy at USC Price School for Public Policy and senior fellow at USC Schaeffer Center for Health Policy and Economics. “The estimates also suggest that we might have to recalibrate disease prediction models and rethink public health strategies.”
The results have important implications for public health efforts to control the local epidemic.
“These results indicate that many persons may have been unknowingly infected and at risk of transmitting the virus to others,” said Dr. Barbara Ferrer, director of the L.A. County Department of Public Health. “These findings underscore the importance of expanded polymerase chain reaction (PCR) testing to diagnose those with infection so they can be isolated and quarantined, while also maintaining the broad social distancing interventions.”
The antibody test is helpful for identifying past infection, but a PCR test is required to diagnose current infection.
“Though the results indicate a lower risk of death among those with infection than was previously thought, the number of COVID-related deaths each day continues to mount, highlighting the need for continued vigorous prevention and control efforts,” said Dr. Paul Simon, chief science officer at L.A. County Department of Public Health and co-lead on the study.
The study’s results have not yet been peer reviewed by other scientists. The researchers plan to test new groups of participants every few weeks in coming months to gauge the pandemic’s trajectory in the region.
About the study
With help from medical students from the Keck School of Medicine of USC, USC researchers and Public Health officials conducted drive-through antibody testing April 10th and 11th at six sites. Participants were recruited via a proprietary database that is representative of the county population. The database is maintained by LRW Group, a market research firm.
The researchers used a rapid antibody test for the study. The FDA allows such tests for public health surveillance to gain greater clarity on actual infection rates. The test’s accuracy was further assessed at a lab at Stanford University using blood samples that were positive and negative for COVID-19.
In addition to Sood and Simon, other authors and institutions contributing to the study include Peggy Ebner of the Keck School; Daniel Eichner of the Sports Medicine Research & Testing Laboratory; Jeffrey Reynolds of LRW Group; Eran Bendavid and Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford University School of Medicine.
The study was supported with funding from USC Schwarzenegger Institute, USC Lusk Center, USC President’s Office, Jedel Foundation, LRW Group, Soap Box Sample, and several individual donors.
More information
  • A recent Q&A with Neeraj Sood on antibody testing can be found here.
  • See the Los Angeles County’s April 16, 2020, Health Advisory SARS-CoV2 Serology Advisory for clarification on antibody testing.
  • B-roll and photos from the April 10-11, 2020 antibody testing conducted in Los Angeles can be found here.
To learn more about the L.A. County Department of Public Health and the work they do, visit the following sites and pages:
Source: https://pressroom.usc.edu/preliminary-results-of-usc-la-county-covid-19-study-released/
 
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CJD3

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Not long. I was amazed in Arizona while elk hunting how many cattle were just roaming around public land on grazing allotments. I'm talking miles from a road in the middle of the woods. I could have easily shot one, loaded it in a trailer, and probably been back in Ohio with it half eaten before anyone noticed it missing.

That was big in south central Florida too.
Scraggly lookin beef left out for the year at a time some places. I knew of a sheriff’s deputy that rolled up on a small group of migrant fruit pickers that had cut a fence and waked the cow to a trailer. They were cutting it up with a electric chain saw. Imagine the mess and his first thoughts as they looked up...
 
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A coworker sent me this episode from a podcast called "The Daily" from the NY Times. It's an interview of Donald McNeil (a science and health reporter).

I don't know much about McNeil, but what he's saying seems like a realistic possibility (to me, at least). The transcript takes about 5 or 10 minutes to read. The audio is 27 minutes long.

Here's the first part of the transcript:

So Donald, we have come to you at just about every turn in this pandemic to understand what’s next, and the portraits of the future that you have painted for us each time we talk have been strikingly accurate. You told us all the way back in February to prepare for lockdowns. Those happened. You told us to prepare for high death rates. You said that people we know would die, and that, sadly, has happened. You warned us of shortages of medical supplies. That too has happened. Just about everything you said would happen has more or less happened. So I want to turn to the next installment of this rolling conversation we’ve been having with you.

Donald G. Mcneil Jr.
OK.

Michael Barbaro
And start with a question that I think is on everyone’s mind right now, which is when and how we start to reopen our society and what that would look like.

Donald G. Mcneil Jr.
OK. Well, look, I’m not some dark angel who’s simply looking into the future.

Michael Barbaro
Understood.

Donald G. Mcneil Jr.
I’m talking to experts. I’m looking at the other pandemics I’ve covered. I’m talking to medical historians and making predictions based on data. And so I think a lot of people think that by May or June or August, we’re going to return to something like normalcy. But all the experts I talk to say, no, that’s a fantasy.

Michael Barbaro
Why is it a fantasy?

Donald G. Mcneil Jr.
Well, because if we all tried to come out at once, everything would look cool for about three weeks. And a week or two after that the emergency rooms would start to fill again, and people would start to die again. Flattening the curve is a notion that people love, but when we say we’re flattening the curve, no, we’re plateauing at a very high level of the curve. That means a steady rate of deaths. So what we want is to see the lockdown last until we get back down to close to what the normal baseline rate of deaths is. And it’s going to be piece by piece. We might be able to let a certain number of people ride the subway each day. People still staying apart from each other. We’re not going to be able to let people sit next to each other in football stadiums. Maybe the team will play on the field, and there will be some cameramen in the stands, but it’s not going to be the way it was before.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/podcasts/the-daily/coronavirus-how-long-lockdowns.html?
 

Big H

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I think you missed my point or I delivered it wrong. Point being, people are going to doctors for other reasons and finding out they have covid 19.

Example, I break my arm in a drunken accident with my stairs. I go in and they start asking me other questions about my health. Next thing you know I’m “likely” to have it or I’ve been tested. The arm being broke had nothing to do with covid. But it is what put me in front of medical professionals.

Has that happened to you? The arm breaking thing?