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Hedgelj

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So if you look at data from Ohio prisons including Marion it seems like the virus isn't as bad as prior data led us to believe. However, then you have places like some nursing homes that are just getting outrageous amounts of death from it, and that we are seeing bad hotspots like NYC and detroit. The CDC is changing its models.

What's all this mean. I don't know for certain but I do think we did the right thing based upon what we were seeing in Italy and other hard hit countries. Unfortunately some of our politicians are taking things into unconstitional territory and others are seeing it as no crisis goes to waste. Then it appears we in the US are not experiencing the same type of disease Italy saw. So did it mutate? Is our healthcare that much better? I really dont' know but now I'm more afraid of the economic and liberty costs than the virus. I still am cautious of it and concerned about its ability to kill but it doesn't appear to be as bad as initially thought.
 

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So if you look at data from Ohio prisons including Marion it seems like the virus isn't as bad as prior data led us to believe. However, then you have places like some nursing homes that are just getting outrageous amounts of death from it, and that we are seeing bad hotspots like NYC and detroit. The CDC is changing its models.

What's all this mean. I don't know for certain but I do think we did the right thing based upon what we were seeing in Italy and other hard hit countries. Unfortunately some of our politicians are taking things into unconstitional territory and others are seeing it as no crisis goes to waste. Then it appears we in the US are not experiencing the same type of disease Italy saw. So did it mutate? Is our healthcare that much better? I really dont' know but now I'm more afraid of the economic and liberty costs than the virus. I still am cautious of it and concerned about its ability to kill but it doesn't appear to be as bad as initially thought.
I see it as something probably about twice as worse as the flu. Numbers are kinda reflective of that. It still scares the shit out of me, as does regular flu. And regular flu is horrible for nursing homes and people with compromised conditions.
 
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bowhunter1023

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Our kids went back to their babysitter today. She's only keeping our kids, hers, and 1-2 others, which is less than half what she did have. The building where my office is reopens today and I'll return tomorrow. My wife went to work today and I restarted my morning routine.

Little bit of normal today. 😎
 

"J"

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Comparing nursing homes too those in the general public did a big disservice too people. It didn’t do anything but spread the panic about this whole thing.
I turned this all off (much like the news) just because of all the BS that was being thrown around. My wife has been in the medical field for 35+ years and has a lot of experience and knowledge. She’s been shaking her head the whole time. Common sense and good personal hygiene will go a long ways in keeping you safe.
You can’t stop it but you can minimize it and it’s affect. This whole wearing of masks, especially the people who are by themselves in a car, or that special person we saw the other day wearing one on a motorcycle.... SMDH....
We’ve gone about our business but we’re cautious and it probably helped being where we’re currently at in our living arrangement.
And why these fucking politicians keep having these “Covid Briefings “ are beyond me. They keep banging that drum and don’t add anything new. Just up there trying too justify their existence and show their face.
It amazes me that they shut everything down, you can’t go out too eat at a sit down restaurant (and I get that) you can’t get a haircut, but have you noticed anyone of them with the look of, that dude needs a haircut....
Oh well, that’s my rant for the day 😂😂😂
I’m going to go weed some flower gardens 😂😂😂
 

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I'm ready for more normal, but the commute and office environment is something I can do without. Starting week 8 today, I'm more sure now I want to work remotely or mix of home office/field work in the long term.

Tev and boys are almost out for summer, so besides the 1-2hrs of school work and mtgs., they are normal.

Be safe out there gents.
 

DJK Frank 16

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I'm ready for more normal, but the commute and office environment is something I can do without. Starting week 8 today, I'm more sure now I want to work remotely or mix of home office/field work in the long term.

Tev and boys are almost out for summer, so besides the 1-2hrs of school work and mtgs., they are normal.

Be safe out there gents.

Same here Adam. We always have the option to work from home but it's only supposed to be maybe once a quarter and only if needed. I can definitely go for a mix of both going forward. I get some much more done without the distractions of the office.
 
I'm ready for more normal, but the commute and office environment is something I can do without. Starting week 8 today, I'm more sure now I want to work remotely or mix of home office/field work in the long term.

Tev and boys are almost out for summer, so besides the 1-2hrs of school work and mtgs., they are normal.

Be safe out there gents.

I'm with you on that! I actually do not look forward to the day I have to pack the computer up and start making the 50 minute drive in to work. My tank is still on full after I came home early March, filling up on the way home that day just in case things got real bad. I get so much more done around the house and the family time has been something I have missed out on for many years now. We are still on stay at home orders through May 18 here in Michigan. Our governor will probably extend it just to piss off all the small business owners more.
 

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A UPMC doctor on Thursday made a case the death rate for people infected with the new coronavirus may be as low as 0.25% — far lower than the mortality rates of 2-4% or even higher cited in the early days of the pandemic.

Dr. Donald Yealy based it partly on studies of levels of coronavirus antibodies detected in people in New York and California, and partly on COVID-19 deaths in the Pittsburgh region. The studies found that 5-20% of people had been exposed to the coronavirus, with many noticing only mild illness or none at all, he said.“We’ve learned that way more people, far, far more people have actually been exposed to the infection without any knowledge of it. That makes the overall death rate much lower,” said Yealy, who is UPMC’s chair of emergency medicine. “Many people just didn’t feel sick at all and recovered without difficulty.”
Yealy went on to offer a hypothetical scenario of 3% of Allegheny County residents being exposed — a conservative number compared to the findings of the New York and California studies. That would mean about 36,000 people in Allegheny have been exposed to the coronavirus. With 94 COVID-19 deaths in the county as of Thursday, it would mean 0.25 percent of people exposed to the coronavirus had died, he said.

“There is a big difference between 0.25% mortality and 7%,” Yealy said.

Yealy said about 1,300 people in Allegheny have tested positive for COVID-19. That would mean, in his hypothetical scenario, another 34,700 had been exposed but had no symptoms. He noted the latter group may also have antibodies to protect them from future infection, although he pointed out it’s still unknown how much protection people get from previous exposure to the new coronavirus.

Yealy further said the majority of the deaths among UPMC patients involved people over 80, with many being nursing home residents.

Yealy has been one of the main public voices of UPMC during the coronavirus pandemic. He spoke Thursday during a 40-minute online discussion with reporters.

Another speaker, Dr. Rachel Sackrowitz, the chief medical officer for UPMC’s intensive care units, said 234 COVID-19 patients have recovered and been discharged from UPMC hospitals. “This is very good news. It means people are getting better and we’re all on the right track together.”


Yealy said only 2% percent of the UPMC system’s 5,500 beds are occupied by COVID-19 patients and the number of new COVID-19 patients is declining.
He cited that figure in explaining UPMC’s plans to quickly increase its volume of the non-emergency surgeries that were largely banned to conserve beds and supplies for COVID-19 patients. The ban is now being eased as the volume of COVID-19 patients falls short of worst-case predictions.


The officials said UPMC remains ready to deal with any upturn in COVID-19 cases.


Yealy said he can’t predict if there will be a second wave, but said “What I suspect is COVID-19 will be a part of our experience treating patients for an extended [period of] months to maybe years.”


Yealy was asked whether people should worry about COVID-19 more than the regular flu. He said people should be “worried differently," pointing out that both take their heaviest toll on the elderly, especially nursing home residents, and people weakened by other medical conditions.


Yealy said he “would not think of it as more or less, just two different illnesses that share some features, but have some distinct differences."


Sackrowitz said she expects COVID-19 will be part of the ongoing “disease burden” affecting Americans and, as with the flu, doctors will find treatments.



https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/...-its-hospitals-will-shift-back-to-normal.html
 

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A UPMC doctor on Thursday made a case the death rate for people infected with the new coronavirus may be as low as 0.25% — far lower than the mortality rates of 2-4% or even higher cited in the early days of the pandemic.

Dr. Donald Yealy based it partly on studies of levels of coronavirus antibodies detected in people in New York and California, and partly on COVID-19 deaths in the Pittsburgh region. The studies found that 5-20% of people had been exposed to the coronavirus, with many noticing only mild illness or none at all, he said.“We’ve learned that way more people, far, far more people have actually been exposed to the infection without any knowledge of it. That makes the overall death rate much lower,” said Yealy, who is UPMC’s chair of emergency medicine. “Many people just didn’t feel sick at all and recovered without difficulty.”
Yealy went on to offer a hypothetical scenario of 3% of Allegheny County residents being exposed — a conservative number compared to the findings of the New York and California studies. That would mean about 36,000 people in Allegheny have been exposed to the coronavirus. With 94 COVID-19 deaths in the county as of Thursday, it would mean 0.25 percent of people exposed to the coronavirus had died, he said.

“There is a big difference between 0.25% mortality and 7%,” Yealy said.

Yealy said about 1,300 people in Allegheny have tested positive for COVID-19. That would mean, in his hypothetical scenario, another 34,700 had been exposed but had no symptoms. He noted the latter group may also have antibodies to protect them from future infection, although he pointed out it’s still unknown how much protection people get from previous exposure to the new coronavirus.

Yealy further said the majority of the deaths among UPMC patients involved people over 80, with many being nursing home residents.

Yealy has been one of the main public voices of UPMC during the coronavirus pandemic. He spoke Thursday during a 40-minute online discussion with reporters.

Another speaker, Dr. Rachel Sackrowitz, the chief medical officer for UPMC’s intensive care units, said 234 COVID-19 patients have recovered and been discharged from UPMC hospitals. “This is very good news. It means people are getting better and we’re all on the right track together.”


Yealy said only 2% percent of the UPMC system’s 5,500 beds are occupied by COVID-19 patients and the number of new COVID-19 patients is declining.
He cited that figure in explaining UPMC’s plans to quickly increase its volume of the non-emergency surgeries that were largely banned to conserve beds and supplies for COVID-19 patients. The ban is now being eased as the volume of COVID-19 patients falls short of worst-case predictions.


The officials said UPMC remains ready to deal with any upturn in COVID-19 cases.


Yealy said he can’t predict if there will be a second wave, but said “What I suspect is COVID-19 will be a part of our experience treating patients for an extended [period of] months to maybe years.”


Yealy was asked whether people should worry about COVID-19 more than the regular flu. He said people should be “worried differently," pointing out that both take their heaviest toll on the elderly, especially nursing home residents, and people weakened by other medical conditions.


Yealy said he “would not think of it as more or less, just two different illnesses that share some features, but have some distinct differences."


Sackrowitz said she expects COVID-19 will be part of the ongoing “disease burden” affecting Americans and, as with the flu, doctors will find treatments.



https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/...-its-hospitals-will-shift-back-to-normal.html


Yep. I think everyone is pretty sold on the idea that the overall death rate will be relatively small in comparison to what was understood in the early days. I think the largest problem is just how contagious this actually is. Once the dust settles we're going to see that COVID has an R value way higher than the flu. The annual flu deaths are spread out over a period of about 5 months and seem to trickle in, with covid it spreads so fast that I think if left unchecked the entire population would've got it within 30 days. If we look at prisons none of them face a flu pandemic where the majority of the prison is sick all at the same time. This crap spreads fast, the whole "flatten the curve" tactic is a valid one, but it is not, and should not, be a longterm solution. It's a reactive "hold the line" until the cavalry can get here in two weeks tactic. It should last just long enough for tests to be mass-produced, contact tracing to ramp up, hospitals to massively increase treatment capacity etc.. Longterm quarantine as a preventative is a farce. Unfortunately, we are all going to get this, lots of people are still going to die but at this point it is what it is, the calvary ain't coming.
 

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And once we are all infected...AKA, a perfect host....the real bioweapon will be released.

I miss Denny.

It's not really a virus though. It's molecular RFID with AI created by the Illuminati and masons. They did it so that we stop killing gay baby whales.