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So it appears that 23 or so out of 25 under the age of 40 who died had some pretty serious preexisting conditions.
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So it appears that 23 or so out of 25 under the age of 40 who died had some pretty serious preexisting conditions.
Whenever I read the DOH Covid line all I could picture was Homer Simpson saying "Doh!"
Ohiosam
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I know we're probably all just about done with the news, but I thought this was interesting. I've wondered all along if anyone had tried to put some data around face covering effectiveness versus lockdowns.
You all know how ticked off I got at the CDC & the Surgeon General about the whole lying about the masks bit, so this particular story caught my eye.I sound like a broken record, but I still wonder if we could have avoided destroying the economy if we hadn't been lied to early on about face coverings / masks and if everyone was educated on this way back when. Guess we'll never know.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recommended wearing masks in public settings to slow the spread of the coronavirus pandemic. A new study suggests that cases of COVID-19 could be cut significantly if 80 percent of people heeded this advice.
The research, published by a group of international experts, created a model that shows the cases could be cut significantly if "(near) universal masking" is adopted.
"Universal masking at 80 [percent] adoption flattens the curve significantly more than maintaining a strict lockdown," researchers wrote in the study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed.
https://www.foxnews.com/science/coronavirus-infections-plunge-80-percent-wore-masks
You all know how ticked off I got at the CDC & the Surgeon General about the whole lying about the masks bit, so this particular story caught my eye.I sound like a broken record, but I still wonder if we could have avoided destroying the economy if we hadn't been lied to early on about face coverings / masks and if everyone was educated on this way back when. Guess we'll never know.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recommended wearing masks in public settings to slow the spread of the coronavirus pandemic. A new study suggests that cases of COVID-19 could be cut significantly if 80 percent of people heeded this advice.
The research, published by a group of international experts, created a model that shows the cases could be cut significantly if "(near) universal masking" is adopted.
"Universal masking at 80 [percent] adoption flattens the curve significantly more than maintaining a strict lockdown," researchers wrote in the study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed.
https://www.foxnews.com/science/coronavirus-infections-plunge-80-percent-wore-masks
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(Oh yeah, and Fauci lying. How could I forget him)
And here's another link on a study saying makes may reduce transmission by 75%:
https://fox6now.com/2020/05/20/wear...-transmission-by-up-to-75-percent-study-says/
Ok. I'm done. I think...
And here's another link on a study saying makes may reduce transmission by 75%:
https://fox6now.com/2020/05/20/wear...-transmission-by-up-to-75-percent-study-says/
Ok. I'm done. I think...
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We like to think of Asians as big dumb buck teeth poor factory workers. But it is a very common sight to see the vast majority of them wearing masks during cold and flu season. There is science behind that and a reason they don't get ravaged by the flu despite having population densities far far greater than anything we see in the US.
As you're aware the fact of the matter is the US government blatantly mislead the American people so that they and the healthcare industry could suck up every available stock of masks to help cover up for their failure to prepare. And virtue signaling shitheads like Harbor freight, Lowes and Home Depot furthered this by pulling all supply to donate to healthcare. They denied the ability of the American people to purchase goods to protect themselves all for some brownie points in the news.
It sure does smell of virtue signalling. Amazon did the same thing with some of their private label products like hand sanitizer. And yeah, you're spot on. I used to think Asians were stupid for walking around with masks, not so much anymore.
I guess I'm not done with this mask thing just yet... Here comes a rant...
I was out picking up a few things from the grocery this evening & wearing a cloth mask. Id say only around 1/3, maybe 1/2 of the other shoppers there were also wearing some form of face covering.
Here's the thing... I don't really wear the thing so much for me anymore. I've learned that It doesn't stop stuff from the outside very effectively. Yeah, anything is better than nothing, it does reduce the risk some reason, but man it's awfully tempting to just say screw it, I'll take my chances. But it's not just about me. It's also about them. I wear the stupid thing mainly for them now. If I'm carrying it and don't don't know it, hopefully I can keep from spreading it to *them*.
For this to work, everyone needs to do it. I can't get angry at them, either. it's not their fault. They trusted the people who should be trustworthy. They believed it, and here we are. So frustrating.
As for the virus, I don't think we've seen the end off all this no matter how bad we want it to be over. Things may appear to be slowing down, but we've pretty much let our guard down at this point. If China is the canary in the coal mine, they just re-locked down 110 million people. We may not be far behind.
End rant...
I guess I'm not done with this mask thing just yet... Here comes a rant...
I was out picking up a few things from the grocery this evening & wearing a cloth mask. Id say only around 1/3, maybe 1/2 of the other shoppers there were also wearing some form of face covering.
Here's the thing... I don't really wear the thing so much for me anymore. I've learned that It doesn't stop stuff from the outside very effectively. Yeah, anything is better than nothing, it does reduce the risk some reason, but man it's awfully tempting to just say screw it, I'll take my chances. But it's not just about me. It's also about them. I wear the stupid thing mainly for them now. If I'm carrying it and don't don't know it, hopefully I can keep from spreading it to *them*.
For this to work, everyone needs to do it. I can't get angry at them, either. it's not their fault. They trusted the people who should be trustworthy. They believed it, and here we are. So frustrating.
As for the virus, I don't think we've seen the end off all this no matter how bad we want it to be over. Things may appear to be slowing down, but we've pretty much let our guard down at this point. If China is the canary in the coal mine, they just re-locked down 110 million people. We may not be far behind.
End rant...
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Ohiosam
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If people would just social distance and wash their hands it would do wonders imo. Also, if everyone who THINKS they may have it would self quarantine and those who are compromised or at risk just continue to stay put and avoid exposure then I think herd immunity can be obtained with less deaths but that’s just my opinion.
That seems like a reasonable opinion to me. Just don't forget the masks lolol
I know you live pretty close by, Ric. If you've been near the bike trail on a nice day lately you've already seen the distancing thing is pretty much out the window. People I'm seeing around here are pretty much done.
Here's a win for Ohio.
https://reason.com/2020/05/20/ohio-...ckdown-arbitrary-unreasonable-and-oppressive/
https://reason.com/2020/05/20/ohio-...ckdown-arbitrary-unreasonable-and-oppressive/
Regarding masks.......
The WHO has not changed its stance since April regarding the wear of masks to slow the spread.
https://www.who.int/emergencies/dis...9/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks
There is a lot of data out there and I'm not a genius or perfect and its just my opinion here. We had to remind and teach americans how to properly wash their hands and proper hand hygeine. The odds of those same americans donning, wearing and then doffing masks appropriately without self contamination is next to nil. The risks aren't worth the benefit for most.
There are studies out there showing that wearing homemade masks increases the risk of catching viruses such as the flu (not Covid but yet similar) rather than protecting the individual.
Yes some of the misinformation and blunders such as the CDC suggesting using a scarf was trying to give .gov and the medical community an opportunity to grab the supply of masks they didn't think they needed. That's because the people making the decisions would rather save money and get a big bonus from saving money than investing money in a stockpile of stuff they may need someday. We are all guilty of it to some extent, its jsut this time it came and bit them.
This is still a scary virus in the fact that we don't have a treatment. HCQ + zinc shows some promise but its also being taken off the treatment protocols at large medical institutions. There are some good studies being done with it still but time will tell. Are the larger instititutions taking it out of the treatment because its not helping or because of the money aspect of the new drugs? Too early to tell.
So states like GA and FL and TX that opened up first are approacing the 2-3 week or more time period that they've been open. So we should start seeing something. IF they are going to start seeing a large uptick in cases we should see those numbers reflected in hospitlizations in the next week and deaths a week or so after that. Given the time between opening, incubation and symptoms. If we dont' see a large uptick in those states in the next two weeks then those who are pushing for lockdowns will have less and less ammo to use in their argument.
Still thinking this is going to be a HUGE governmental overreach/power grab. Heck, there are articles that are talking about using our smartphones to track us. HIPPA violation much? (among other violations)
Did you see the recommendations/thoughts from the CDC regarding reopening schools? Kids are the least affected age group and yet they are saying eating in classrooms, everyone 6 feet apart, 6 foot squares they have to stay in at recess (WTF), masks for anyone over the age of 2, etc etc etc. Think of the mental health issues we are kindling with this shit.
Think of the increases in suicide, domestic violence and other mental health problems we are just invigorating with these guidelines, bans, lockdowns, etc.
I'm sorry I'm ranting.
The WHO has not changed its stance since April regarding the wear of masks to slow the spread.
https://www.who.int/emergencies/dis...9/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks
There is a lot of data out there and I'm not a genius or perfect and its just my opinion here. We had to remind and teach americans how to properly wash their hands and proper hand hygeine. The odds of those same americans donning, wearing and then doffing masks appropriately without self contamination is next to nil. The risks aren't worth the benefit for most.
There are studies out there showing that wearing homemade masks increases the risk of catching viruses such as the flu (not Covid but yet similar) rather than protecting the individual.
Yes some of the misinformation and blunders such as the CDC suggesting using a scarf was trying to give .gov and the medical community an opportunity to grab the supply of masks they didn't think they needed. That's because the people making the decisions would rather save money and get a big bonus from saving money than investing money in a stockpile of stuff they may need someday. We are all guilty of it to some extent, its jsut this time it came and bit them.
This is still a scary virus in the fact that we don't have a treatment. HCQ + zinc shows some promise but its also being taken off the treatment protocols at large medical institutions. There are some good studies being done with it still but time will tell. Are the larger instititutions taking it out of the treatment because its not helping or because of the money aspect of the new drugs? Too early to tell.
So states like GA and FL and TX that opened up first are approacing the 2-3 week or more time period that they've been open. So we should start seeing something. IF they are going to start seeing a large uptick in cases we should see those numbers reflected in hospitlizations in the next week and deaths a week or so after that. Given the time between opening, incubation and symptoms. If we dont' see a large uptick in those states in the next two weeks then those who are pushing for lockdowns will have less and less ammo to use in their argument.
Still thinking this is going to be a HUGE governmental overreach/power grab. Heck, there are articles that are talking about using our smartphones to track us. HIPPA violation much? (among other violations)
Did you see the recommendations/thoughts from the CDC regarding reopening schools? Kids are the least affected age group and yet they are saying eating in classrooms, everyone 6 feet apart, 6 foot squares they have to stay in at recess (WTF), masks for anyone over the age of 2, etc etc etc. Think of the mental health issues we are kindling with this shit.
Think of the increases in suicide, domestic violence and other mental health problems we are just invigorating with these guidelines, bans, lockdowns, etc.
I'm sorry I'm ranting.
Using blow up dolls to help with social distancing in restaurants...what say you Brock?
https://www.fox13news.com/news/sout...K1Sn8stb_RqpQpm9qNfznjI_QvKyWxIJGgLnXyKQ2Joe8
https://www.fox13news.com/news/sout...K1Sn8stb_RqpQpm9qNfznjI_QvKyWxIJGgLnXyKQ2Joe8
I am not going to wear a mask. Reason being that if herd immunity is the plan, let’s get on with it so we can get back to “normal”. We need to be exposed to things to get stronger. This bubble bullshit, is just that, bullshit. We are creating a weaker America.
I've seen more unsanitary things transpire from people wearing masks and messing with them than I have from I unmasked people since this started. I'm only wearing a mask one place: butcher shop/liquor store that requires it.
I wear a mask when in public places to protect other people - btw uhm a high risker
Anyone care to look geezer in the eye without your face coverings and tell him you don't care about reducing his chance of catching this thing that could kill him, that you're helping with herd immunity or that you only wear when you are required to do so by the establishments you patronize?
If masks don't work, hospitals, paramedics and EMTs don't need them. If people aren't using them right, then educate them, don't say not to wear them. As for the WHO, they are in bed with China.
Man, I'm sorry guys, I realize putting it that way will probably piss you off, and I'm not here to try to make enemies. It's really the last thing I want to do. I respect all of of you. When geezer posted what he posted I felt defensive for him and it got me fired up.
If masks don't work, hospitals, paramedics and EMTs don't need them. If people aren't using them right, then educate them, don't say not to wear them. As for the WHO, they are in bed with China.
Man, I'm sorry guys, I realize putting it that way will probably piss you off, and I'm not here to try to make enemies. It's really the last thing I want to do. I respect all of of you. When geezer posted what he posted I felt defensive for him and it got me fired up.
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