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And here is the rub. Phizer admits that they don't know if a person who gets vaccinated can still transmit the virus citing the need to study that.

This would make sense of why they would push a huge mandatory vaccination program. Every person they vaccinate could potentially become a transmitter. If they don't vaccinate enough people fast enough to create breaks in the transmission chain then they could potentially make things worse. Not only would you have the people who are sick naturally transmitting it, but in addition to them the people they've vaccinated. In essence, if that's the case they didn't create an immunity vaccination, they created a shot to eliminate symptoms. People will potentially still be infected from the shot and capable of transmitting the virus. Could you imagine if everyone who got the polio vaccination infected everyone who hadn't received the vaccination.


Pfizer chairman: We're not sure if someone can transmit virus after vaccination

https://thehill.com/news-by-subject...-not-sure-if-someone-can-transmit-virus-after
 
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Jackalope said:
And here is the rub. Phizer admits that they don't know if a person who gets vaccinated can still transmit the virus citing the need to study that.

This would make sense of why they would push a huge mandatory vaccination program. Every person they vaccinate could potentially become a transmitter. If they don't vaccinate enough people fast enough to create breaks in the transmission chain then they could potentially make things worse. Not only would you have the people who are sick naturally transmitting it, but in addition to them the people they've vaccinated. In essence, if that's the case they didn't create an immunity vaccination, they created a shot to eliminate symptoms. People will potentially still be infected from the shot and capable of transmitting the virus. Could you imagine if everyone who got the polio vaccination infected everyone who hadn't received the vaccination.


Pfizer chairman: We're not sure if someone can transmit virus after vaccination

https://thehill.com/news-by-subject...-not-sure-if-someone-can-transmit-virus-after
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Well how can you stop surface contact transmission - guess the only ones who will be covid safe are the vaccinanated ones - what the hell
 
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Geezer II said:
Well how can you stop surface contact transmission - guess the only ones who will be covid safe are the vaccinanated ones - what the hell
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Great business plan huh. Everyone you give the vaccine to can make everyone else sick.
 
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who in the hell is against a vaccine? I'm not going to take it, but I'm all for anyone who wants a vaccine to get it. a false sense of security is better than living in total fear, right?
 
Geezer II said:
Well your a transmitter with or without the vaccine i guess - we ll see how this shakes out bout half the us population are against the vaccine
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With the vaccine, you're a created transmitter in addition to naturally occurring transmitters. Like I mentioned before. Imagine if when they rolled out the polio vaccine that everyone they vaccinated immediately gave everyone else polio. The question then becomes, did you really give people an immunity, or did you infect everyone in a way so they only had mild symptoms but they're still contagious? This has huge implications on societal immunity.

For example with a flu vaccine, it provides immunity through an immune response which results in immune memory. They are not contagious though. So the benefit is the vaccine creates these immune barriers of people. And if you have enough immune barrier people you can halt that specific transmission chain. AKA a vaccinated kid comes in contact with a kid at school that has the flu, he can't bring it home and give it to his non-vaccinated mom because he has vaccinated immunity, and as a result, is not a carrier or contagious. Now let's flip the script, if he gets a vaccination that makes him a carrier and contagious, he will not only give it to mom but every kid at school, and everyone else he comes in contact with. The barrier becomes the spreader. When looking at the reason vaccines work, a vaccine that makes someone contagious is complete lunacy. The only way to get around that is to mandate that everyone get the vaccine in the shortest amount of time possible.
 
Jackalope said:
With the vaccine, you're a created transmitter in addition to naturally occurring transmitters. Like I mentioned before. Imagine if when they rolled out the polio vaccine that everyone they vaccinated immediately gave everyone else polio. The question then becomes, did you really give people an immunity, or did you infect everyone in a way so they only had mild symptoms but they're still contagious? This has huge implications on societal immunity.

For example with a flu vaccine, it provides immunity through an immune response which results in immune memory. They are not contagious though. So the benefit is the vaccine creates these immune barriers of people. And if you have enough immune barrier people you can halt that specific transmission chain. AKA a vaccinated kid comes in contact with a kid at school that has the flu, he can't bring it home and give it to his non-vaccinated mom because he has vaccinated immunity, and as a result, is not a carrier or contagious. Now let's flip the script, if he gets a vaccination that makes him a carrier and contagious, he will not only give it to mom but every kid at school, and everyone else he comes in contact with. The barrier becomes the spreader. When looking at the reason vaccines work, a vaccine that makes someone contagious is complete lunacy. The only way to get around that is to mandate that everyone get the vaccine in the shortest amount of time possible.
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I understand - the jury still out on this
 
Geezer II said:
I understand - the jury still out on this
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They're shipping tens of millions of doses around the world but can't say that it doesn't make people contagious. Seems like the jury has reached a verdict without all the information.
 
Geezer II said:
If you have information that says it does make people contagious - please share if you do - thanks
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Sure. Right here is the chairman of Pfizer when asked that exact question.


Holt asked Bourla, “Even though I’ve had the protection, am I still able to transmit it to other people?”

“I think this is something that needs to be examined. We are not certain about that right now with what we know,” Bourla responded.
 
Jackalope said:
Sure. Right here is the chairman of Pfizer when asked that exact question.


Holt asked Bourla, “Even though I’ve had the protection, am I still able to transmit it to other people?”

“I think this is something that needs to be examined. We are not certain about that right now with what we know,” Bourla responded.
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Well just not certain to me means the jury isstill out - but don sound too good - thanks joe
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Not if they're shipping the vaccine globally it doesn't. The "jury is still out" to me would mean it's not approved for distribution and needs further testing to answer a massive question with huge implications. In this case the decision has been made without all the facts.
 
Not like. In addition to. It would essentially be creating millions upon million of more spreaders all over the globe at a near instant pace.

Since they can't answer the question of if a vaccinated person will be contagious I wonder if they plan to make every single healthy person they give it to quarantine for 2-3 weeks.

The bigger problem is the moral dilemma. People should have a right to say no, or demand better testing and science before getting one. . They should be able to do so without worrying that a pharmaceutical company is going to put them at increased danger from self-created vaccinated spreaders.
 
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Not like. In addition to. It would essentially be creating millions upon million of more spreaders all over the globe at a near instant pace.

Since they can't answer the question of if a vaccinated person will be contagious I wonder if they plan to make every single healthy person they give it to quarantine for 2-3 weeks.

The bigger problem is the moral dilemma. People should have a right to say no, or demand better testing and science before getting one. . They should be able to do so without worrying that a pharmaceutical company is going to put them at increased danger from self-created vaccinated spreaders.
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Not sure that is how I read it but I am not medical expert and I did not stay at a holiday inn express.

Do they meant that the vaccine will possibly make them contagious or are they saying that if they are exposed to the actual virus they could still be able to spread it?
 
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Quantum673 said:
Not sure that is how I read it but I am not medical expert and I did not stay at a holiday inn express.

Do they meant that the vaccine will possibly make them contagious or are they saying that if they are exposed to the actual virus they could still be able to spread it?
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Vaccinations work by injecting partial or weakened viral RNA strands into a person's body. This tricks the body into thinking it's under attack and the immune system does it's thing. Since the virus is weakened it can usually be taken care of pretty quickly. Usually. This is why people often get sick right after getting a flu shot. They basically gave you A mild flu to create an immune response. The key thing is the body has to develop an immune blueprint to use the next time it comes under attack by the same virus. The next time you're exposed to the virus your body can fight it immediately because it already knows and kills it before it ever replicates inside the body. It's like the cops passing around a mugshot of a most wanted man in the morning briefing. None of them have ever seen him for real, but when they do there will be no question that it's the right person.

With that said. If the vaccine is successful at creating an immune response then the person will not get infected later, and if they aren't infected they can't be contagious. They become an immune barrier. The question regarding vaccinated people being contagious is from the vaccine itself during the period where the weakened virus has not been killed yet and the body is still dveloping the initial immune response.

A vaccine that allowed people to still contract and spread a virus wouldn't be much of a vaccination but rather a medication that negats symptoms. Like if you took NyQuil and you never had flu symptoms again but you could still catch and spread it.
 
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The flu vaccine is a dead virus. You cannot get the flu from the vaccination. Some people have side effects that appear as flu like symptoms.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/dise...H: You can catch the,going to get sick anyway.

The Covid Vaccine is synthetic. I believe it tricks the body into creating antibodies.

Like I said I have no real clue as I am no medic. Just the way I understand medical articles like above.
 
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