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hickslawns

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Yep but its kinda the only bullet out there - take whats the best shout for you
And for what it's worth- if I was in your age bracket, there is a higher chance of me getting the vaccine. I don't blame you at all. But I still don't trust much of what I read or listen to about it. Therein lies the problem the nation is having. We need some straight poop from the politicians and media.
 

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And for what it's worth- if I was in your age bracket, there is a higher chance of me getting the vaccine. I don't blame you at all. But I still don't trust much of what I read or listen to about it. Therein lies the problem the nation is having. We need some straight poop from the politicians and media.

Agreed. No doubt in my mind, hell, I probably would have been first in line.
 
And for what it's worth- if I was in your age bracket, there is a higher chance of me getting the vaccine. I don't blame you at all. But I still don't trust much of what I read or listen to about it. Therein lies the problem the nation is having. We need some straight poop from the politicians and media.



Just my 2 cents - we need the media and politicians to shut the fuck up - "just the facts ma'am"
 
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They want people to get the vaccine but yet they keep the blabbering mouth Fauci in there as their spokesperson. Don't they realize the people they are trying to convince are the same people who think Fauci is a turd?! With all the talk of mandating it in work places and all it's no wonder people are getting more skeptical. Heck people who got the vaccine are wishing they hadn't fallen for the hype just yet and wondering if anything bad will come their way before long.
 
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Jackalope

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Now here is a very honest interview with the local hospitals infections disease specialist here. Our Covid numbers are skyrocketing here. But it was refreshing to her this guys take, especially on masks and vaccinations. In a world where everything is doom gloom and blown up I didn't see any spin and he laid it out there honestly. His part starts about 1:15 in.

 

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New York City will soon require proof of COVID-19 vaccinations for anyone who wants to dine indoors at a restaurant, see a performance or go to the gym, Mayor ...
 
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New York City will soon require proof of COVID-19 vaccinations for anyone who wants to dine indoors at a restaurant, see a performance or go to the gym, Mayor ...

Is anyone surprised, just commies being commies.
 

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My mom, younger sister, BIL and three young boys and my older sister and BIL went to Disney in Florida. So far my mom and one of the boys is positive. All are getting tested. The boy also has hand, foot and mouth or a possible skin reaction from covid. All of the adults received the vax.
 

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My mom, younger sister, BIL and three young boys and my older sister and BIL went to Disney in Florida. So far my mom and one of the boys is positive. All are getting tested. The boy also has hand, foot and mouth or a possible skin reaction from covid. All of the adults received the vax.
Crazy. I hope the boy with HF&M is ok. My older had it a couple years ago and it wasn't bad. They both got it again a couple months ago and my youngest (3yo) had it real bad. He was miserable for about three days. After it cleared up a couple weeks and he was ok the skin on the bottom of his feet started to peel like old blisters. Then about a week later some of his toenails and fingernails started to come off. Strangest shit I've ever seen. The peeling sounds much worse that it was because it didn't hurt him but still it was kinda freaky.

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I like this one, lays it out perfectly I thought:

ME: CDC, should I get poke if I already had Covid?

CDC: “Yes, you should be poked regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19.”

ME: Oh, okay, we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does poke-induced immunity last?

CDC: “There is still a lot we are learning about COVID-19 pokes and CDC is constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are poked.”

ME: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the poke was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long poke immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the poke immunity better than my natural immunity?

CDC: …

ME: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades?

CDC: Yes.

NEWYORKTIMES: “Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.”

ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than poke immunity?

CDC: Possibly. You never know.

ME: Okay. If I get the poke, does that mean I won’t get sick?

BRITAIN: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are poked people.

ME: CDC, is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.S. catching Covid after getting the poke?

CDC: We stopped tracking breakthrough cases. We accept voluntary reports of breakthroughs but aren’t out there looking for them.

ME: Does that mean that if someone comes in the hospital with Covid, you don’t track them because they’ve been poked? You only track the UN-poked Covid cases?

CDC: That’s right.

ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the poke, how is it helping me?

CDC: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death.

ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death.

CDC: We don’t know “exactly.”

ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is?

CDC: We don’t know, okay? Next question.

ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the poke, is there any reason I should get it?

CDC: Yes, for the collective.

ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting poked?

CDC: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die.

ME: Can a poked person spread the virus to someone else?

CDC: Yes.

ME: So if I get poked, I could still spread the virus to someone else?

CDC: Yes.

ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get poked was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the poke?

CDC: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unpoked, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the pokes protection, putting all poked people at risk.

ME: So the poke stops the virus from mutating?

CDC: No.

ME: So it can still mutate in poked people?

CDC: Yes.

ME: This seems confusing. If the poke doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting poked help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the poke?

CDC: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unpoked, you pose a threat to poked people.

ME: But what KIND of threat??

CDC: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die.

ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the poke doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying poked people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the poke just by running into an unpoked person! Which is it??

CDC: That’s it, we’re hanging up now.

ME: Wait! I just want to make sure I understand all this. So, even if I ALREADY had Covid, I should STILL get poked, because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, and we also don’t know how long poke immunity lasts. And I should get the poke to keep a poked person from catching Covid from me, but even if I get the poke, I can give it to the poked person anyways. And, the other poked person can still easily catch a serious case of Covid from me and die. Do I have all that right?



ME: Um, hello? Is anyone there?
 

Jackalope

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Pulled some numbers from the CDC regarding Hospitalizations for Mar1 - June 31

Hospitalized patients by percentage with the following health conditions. Numbers are in percentages.

Note: (Totals do not add as a patient can have more than one)

AgeAsthmaKidney DiseaseCOPD EmphysemaCoronary Artery DiseaseDiabetesHeart FailureHypertensionObesity
0-43.70.5000.40.60.920
05-1721.21.10.10.15.10.21.936
18-4914.65.40.91.720.23.325.164.3
50-6413.713.68.410.238.49.759.458.3
65+1024.616.723.742.5197836.9









This one shows "No known conditions" at 8.3% of total cases resulting in hospitalization.

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Jackalope

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That is a very telling graph. All of this Delta variant hype is political, not medical.

Welllll. Depends. We have a pretty low vaccination rate here in MS and our hospitalization and case rates are rising fast. The problem is I can't slice that data by age, condition or vaccination status. Our death rate is still very low but it usually takes a couple weeks to show up in the data.

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