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2019-nCoV (Coronavirus)

Last time I ever recall being vaccinated for anything was back in the military. 1986 I think, and yeah, after all those numerous injections, I do recall feeling like someone punched both my arms all day long after that day, cause you got them on each arm. Who knows what the hell were in those damn things back then. Obviously, I survived it, at least up until now anyways...
 
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In a newly released weekly report, which compiles state-by-state data on COVID-19 cases among children, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and the Children's Hospital Association (CHA) found that nearly 94,000 new child COVID-19 cases were reported last week, a continued "substantial" increase.
 
Geezer II said:
In a newly released weekly report, which compiles state-by-state data on COVID-19 cases among children, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and the Children's Hospital Association (CHA) found that nearly 94,000 new child COVID-19 cases were reported last week, a continued "substantial" increase.
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And too what extent has it debilitated the young patiences? Is it severe or is it nothing more than mild flu like symptoms? Heard on the news the Biden administration wants the FDA too take the emergency decl off of the shot and too allow children from ages 5-11 receive it….
 
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And too what extent has it debilitated the young patiences? Is it severe or is it nothing more than mild flu like symptoms? Heard on the news the Biden administration wants the FDA too take the emergency decl off of the shot and too allow children from ages 5-11 receive it….
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While severe outcomes of COVID-19 infection in pediatric populations continue to be relatively low compared to adults, the current exponential growth in hospitalizations is a very worrisome trend," explained Dr. John Brownstein, an epidemiologist at Boston Children's Hospital and an ABC News contributor. "As the remaining population ineligible for the vaccine, children will, unfortunately, be the main vectors of virus spread creating risk to both themselves and the rest of the population."
 
Schu72 said:
Well I have no credibility, so maybe ask the data abstracters who claim the hospitals are only 50% occupied.:LOL:
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No need to claim anything bud. The data across the US is at the below link, Hospital and ICU occupancy percentages by covid patients.

Your concern earlier regarding capacity for normal ICU and admission issues is valid. But hospitals don't traditionally try to maintain a ton of empty icu beds on standby either

carlsonschool.umn.edu

Business Advancement Center for Health Covid Tracking

Tracking daily hospitalization data is a major step forward in quantifying the current impact on local hospital systems, modeling and forecasting future
carlsonschool.umn.edu carlsonschool.umn.edu
 
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Y‘all gotta listen too this one….
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He is 100% correct. I won't say the CDC is completely wrong. But they are very covertly trying to craft a narrative without giving the whole picture. Like this variant. Do you ever think they will admire that it came about because of the vaccine? That the virus mutated to circumvent the meager protections the shot provides. Never in a million years would they admit that even if it was 100% proveable. Hell. They won't even acknowledge much less admit this thing came from a lab despite mountains of evidence to suggest that is the most likely origin.
 
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Jackalope said:
He is 100% correct. I won't say the CDC is completely wrong. But they are very covertly trying to craft a narrative without giving the whole picture. Like this variant. Do you ever think they will admire that it came about because of the vaccine? That the virus mutated to circumvent the meager protections the shot provides. Never in a million years would they admit that even if it was 100% proveable. Hell. They won't even acknowledge much less admit this thing came from a lab despite mountains of evidence to suggest that is the most likely origin.
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Did he say he treated 15 people ? 100% correct - won't say the CDC completely wrong - but but but - what is going on in the rest of the world with this pandemic - does this guy have any professional suppport for his claims or just pop up at a local school board meeting ? - Listen to the school board audiance - really. Will we ever get the truth? If this guy is right I hope doctors and scientists around the world back up his claims . Just my 2 cents -
 
What Causes Viruses to Mutate?
Virus changes are associated with three things. First, sometimes a change in a virus is a pure error.

“A good analogy about virus changes is that it’s like copying a manuscript and, at some point, you're going to have a typo,” Dr. Best says.

Another reason a virus might change is because of pressure from select cells in the body.

“This hypothesis emerged regarding some of the COVID-19 variants. It states if a virus infects a person who doesn’t have a very strong immune system, for example, someone with cancer, then the body is not able to clear the virus very well. Then the virus can say, ‘Hey, how are you going to attack me and make changes based on that?’,” Dr. Best says.

The creation of a vaccine for any new virus could also cause additional mutations.

“Let’s explain this concept a little further. Any virus will keep trying to change, so it can continue to spread. With all vaccines, the more quickly people get vaccinated the better. The slower vaccination happens, the higher the chance of having mutations in the virus and the appearance of more variants. And, as we are seeing with the delta variant, the more the virus can spread in the community.

In order to keep viruses in check, everyone must do their part by getting vaccinated, and scientists must work together around the world to track emerging variants.
 
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Geezer II said:
What Causes Viruses to Mutate?
Virus changes are associated with three things. First, sometimes a change in a virus is a pure error.

“A good analogy about virus changes is that it’s like copying a manuscript and, at some point, you're going to have a typo,” Dr. Best says.

Another reason a virus might change is because of pressure from select cells in the body.

“This hypothesis emerged regarding some of the COVID-19 variants. It states if a virus infects a person who doesn’t have a very strong immune system, for example, someone with cancer, then the body is not able to clear the virus very well. Then the virus can say, ‘Hey, how are you going to attack me and make changes based on that?’,” Dr. Best says.

The creation of a vaccine for any new virus could also cause additional mutations.

“Let’s explain this concept a little further. Any virus will keep trying to change, so it can continue to spread. With all vaccines, the more quickly people get vaccinated the better. The slower vaccination happens, the higher the chance of having mutations in the virus and the appearance of more variants. And, as we are seeing with the delta variant, the more the virus can spread in the community.

In order to keep viruses in check, everyone must do their part by getting vaccinated, and scientists must work together around the world to track emerging variants.
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😅😅. Let me point out that authors intellectual dishonesty. They first admit that viruses adapt due to pressures against it. Then admit that vaccine can cause viruses to adapt to get around them. Then says "lets explain that concept a little further" and goes on to completely ignores the previous statements and blame the unvaccinated and demand that everyone get a vaccine because the more it spreads the higher the chance of mutations. Completely ignoring the fact that vaccinated people can and do catch and spread covid, and THAT would be the most likely source of vaccine-resistant mutations. It's like he knows that people are starting to understand that vaccine adaptation can and does happen so he admits it to gain credibility in the eyes of the reader. But then he gives a solution which is the same old propaganda narrative. The truth of the matter is every single person could get vaccinated tomorrow and the virus will continue to circulate in the population. It will adapt and learn to infect more people more efficiently. Over time the original vaccination will only be useful against the original strain which rarely exists, and the new strain will be prolific. This virus isn't going away.
 
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😅😅. Let me point out that authors intellectual dishonesty. They first admit that viruses adapt due to pressures against it. Then admit that vaccine can cause viruses to adapt to get around them. Then says "lets explain that concept a little further" and goes on to completely ignores the previous statements and blame the unvaccinated and demand that everyone get a vaccine because the more it spreads the higher the chance of mutations. Completely ignoring the fact that vaccinated people can and do catch and spread covid, and THAT would be the most likely source of vaccine-resistant mutations. It's like he knows that people are starting to understand that vaccine adaptation can and does happen so he admits it to gain credibility in the eyes of the reader. But then he gives a solution which is the same old propaganda narrative. The truth of the matter is every single person could get vaccinated tomorrow and the virus will continue to circulate in the population. It will adapt and learn to infect more people more efficiently. Over time the original vaccination will only be useful against the original strain which rarely exists, and the new strain will be prolific. This virus isn't going away.
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So whats doan the road with this new vaccines or what?
 
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So whats doan the road with this
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Unless there is a breakthrough in science that figures out how to actually immunize people to prevent spreading it will continue to spread and adapt. If they do figure that out and can manage to convince most everyone to get that vaccination, they may have a very slim shot at eradicating it. But that is also doubtful as there is evidence that it can spread to animals. If that is indeed the case it will simply hop over to another host, adapt, and eventually come back. COVID will continue to exist just like the common cold or flu. To protect the vulnerable they will need to continue to adapt specific strain boosters. Unfortunately the risk there is they pressure a mutation that increases the viruses mortality rate and it becomes like its very deadly cousin SARS-COV-1 or MERS.

The best thing they can do is figure out post-infection therapeutics to help the sick because people will continue to get sick. In many ways, that's what the shot is now. A proactive therapeutic. There is no doubt it lessens the severity of the infection. But there are also random and sometimes devastating consequences if it doesn't prevent transmission.

The best hope the world had was a long time ago in Wuhan. Unfortunately, the Chinese government hid it beyond the ability of the world to contain it. What do they care, they want less people and their economy is booming from it.
 
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Unless there is a breakthrough in science that figures out how to actually immunize people to prevent spreading it will continue to spread and adapt. If they do figure that out and can manage to convince most everyone to get that vaccination, they may have a very slim shot at eradicating it. But that is also doubtful as there is evidence that it can spread to animals. If that is indeed the case it will simply hop over to another host, adapt, and eventually come back. COVID will continue to exist just like the common cold or flu. To protect the vulnerable they will need to continue to adapt specific strain boosters. Unfortunately the risk there is they pressure a mutation that increases the viruses mortality rate and it becomes like its very deadly cousin SARS-COV-1 or MERS.

The best thing they can do is figure out post-infection therapeutics to help the sick because people will continue to get sick. In many ways, that's what the shot is now. A proactive therapeutic. There is no doubt it lessens the severity of the infection. But there are also random and sometimes devastating consequences if it doesn't prevent transmission.

The best hope the world had was a long time ago in Wuhan. Unfortunately, the Chinese government hid it beyond the ability of the world to contain it. What do they care, they want less people and their economy is booming from it.
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Nailed it.
 
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