The thing with rifle is more ft. Pounds energy than what will leave a blood trail. Like anything else just put it where it is supposed to go.
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Put the bullet or arrow in the boiler room and the result is a dead animal....
I am happy with accuracy and power. I just think there is room for improvement. Improvement i could make. Like me shooting a vertical bow, sure i can do it, but I'm better with a crossbow. Sure this gun works as is, but I can make it better with a bullet change.
Terminal energy. Rifle bullets are small diameter. Most 30. Caliber are .308 in diameter. Like 30-06 and 300 Winchester magnum. Then look at the .25 calibers like the 25-06. That's a pin hole practically. Rifle bullets are ment to dump there energy once they enter the animal. Like personal defense pistol rounds do on people.
So my "complaint" here is that I had a pass thru shot with the same size hole on both sides. 40 caliber hole on both entrance and exit.
That's the problem. That round has more than 2000 pounds of energy and all its doing is making a hole. Now if it went through one side then expanded enough to dump a ton of energy with almost no exit you wouldn't need a blood trail.
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Dave... You said it earlier.... " Bullet Change "... Perhaps do some research on the construction of the bullet you were using... Pass throughs are great but the bullet should mushroom inside to destroy organs thus causing a quick death...
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Yeah, quit wasting time and buy a 450.
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I could let Dave use my 10 gauge with 3 1/2 inch shells. Talk about knock down power.
Giles, I had the same problem with my 350 on the first deer I shot. The only hunting ammo I could get when I bought the gun was Remington solid coppers. Small hole in and out deer went 80-90 yards in the snow with no blood. The following year ammo was available and I bought several brands to try out. Hornady custom FTX grouped the best out of all of them. I have shot 2 mature does since and they didn’t go 20
. Large exit wounds and no need for a blood trail.
but I did buy a 450 which I may use during the 2day season
I did zero the 450 yesterday and did pretty good , the picture is my last 3 shots
. Large exit wounds and no need for a blood trail.but I did buy a 450 which I may use during the 2day season
I did zero the 450 yesterday and did pretty good , the picture is my last 3 shots
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You sticking with the STX for the .450?Giles, I had the same problem with my 350 on the first deer I shot. The only hunting ammo I could get when I bought the gun was Remington solid coppers. Small hole in and out deer went 80-90 yards in the snow with no blood. The following year ammo was available and I bought several brands to try out. Hornady custom FTX grouped the best out of all of them. I have shot 2 mature does since and they didn’t go 20
but I did buy a 450 which I may use during the 2day season
I did zero the 450 yesterday and did pretty good , the picture is my last 3 shots
I would give up some grouping for a bullet that expanded like it should.
Yes at least that is what I shot yesterday
I am using a Luopold freedom scope and on the scope tower it states 250 grain bullet at 2200FPS
And that is what the Hornady is. The idea behind the scope is once it is zeroed at 100 yards you just crank the turret for longer shots. I did not try anything longer than 100 yards yesterday but I will the next time I shoot it
I am using a Luopold freedom scope and on the scope tower it states 250 grain bullet at 2200FPS
And that is what the Hornady is. The idea behind the scope is once it is zeroed at 100 yards you just crank the turret for longer shots. I did not try anything longer than 100 yards yesterday but I will the next time I shoot it
Giles I agree but so far I got both out of the Hornady
I did try the Barnes because I have heard good things about it. It just didn’t group like the Hornady and I never shot a deer with them.
I did try the Barnes because I have heard good things about it. It just didn’t group like the Hornady and I never shot a deer with them.
I think that sabot is the same they used in the SST rounds for shotguns and MLers. I need to look into it a little before making any switches. If it is, I'm not interested because they have the same issues. People often put blame on the load with the ML, but I've seen the same with shotguns.
BTW, I know I can just change shot placement to shoot like I'm shooting a gun. I like my kids to be able to not think about it and shoot deer like they have a bow. So pinpoint accirance is not as important to me as the blood trail.
BTW, I know I can just change shot placement to shoot like I'm shooting a gun. I like my kids to be able to not think about it and shoot deer like they have a bow. So pinpoint accirance is not as important to me as the blood trail.
The STX is not the same bullet as the SST, the Shockwave is. The STX has a softer tip and thinner jacket. Which, IMO, would solve the problem of no expansion.
These are my opinions made from reading on different boards. I did not reach out to hornaday themselves. If someone wanted to, I would suggest that. I personally will be going with Barnes. Because they work for me.
These are my opinions made from reading on different boards. I did not reach out to hornaday themselves. If someone wanted to, I would suggest that. I personally will be going with Barnes. Because they work for me.
My brain is working a little more clear right now. That was a bad example. Shooting a deer with a field point vs broadhead. I would gladly sacrifice a little accuracy for a better wound channel.
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