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Cleveland cops shot at 2 unarmed black people 137 times. Years later, 6 of them are fired.
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Those happen all the time, this latest action won’t change anything. Stupid senseless things go on 24/7/365….
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The problem is J idiots think their actions are justifiable through the "stand your ground law", the CCW class requirement explained justifiable use of force and gave people a basic understanding of the law and when it is acceptable to use your weapon. All of us understand "you never point a gun or flash a gun at someone or something you do not intend to neutralize", with this new law I don't know if everybody will understand that concept. Now with no class or training requirements, some people will not have this basic understanding of the responsibility when carrying a firearm. I am all for conceal carry, but go take a one day class from a certified instructor.
Spent a lot of time at the state shooting range in West Farmington. Ya see a lot of scary stuff firearm handling wise - dang
There were multiple issues with the duty to notify law the main part was it could end up a he said she said with a felony if you lost the argument... and the wording was shit.... what was considered timely? Too gray if an area with a felony consequence for doing it wrong.
Then (and there are reported cases) where an Ohio CHL holder notified in other states without the requirement and got hassled for it.
Agreed, they have beat the "wild west blood in the streets" drum for so long its looking like an expired horse at this point.
The police unions have been against EVERY CCW law that has been passed or even proposed in Ohio UNLESS it was removing aspects.
I have mixed thoughts on this law. I am happy it passed and was signed irregardless.
If you consider self defense to be a right then this is a good step. It eliminated the financial burden for someone wanting to carry to be able to defend themselves.
However I truly believe that if you are going to carry you should be responsible and have a high level of training. Every bullet you send at someone will be scrutinized more highly than one an LEO sends so we need to be at a higher standard.
I won't get rid of mine because i need it for other states and it's an overall win.
If you consider self defense to be a right then this is a good step. It eliminated the financial burden for someone wanting to carry to be able to defend themselves.
However I truly believe that if you are going to carry you should be responsible and have a high level of training. Every bullet you send at someone will be scrutinized more highly than one an LEO sends so we need to be at a higher standard.
I won't get rid of mine because i need it for other states and it's an overall win.
Dayton man’s murder conviction shows limits of Ohio self-defense laws
A 65-year-old Dayton man who argued he was defending himself when he shot two teenagers faces life in prison after being convicted of murder, and a local expert said it’s still unclear whether Ohio’s new stand your ground law would have helped him legally.
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No, but it gives a qualified instructor the opportunity to evaluate each idiots level of stupidity and then can fail the person.You are a teacher...can you take the idiot out of someone in a day?
one thing is for certain, most of the idiots aren't showing up for class, anyway.You are a teacher...can you take the idiot out of someone in a day?
anyone who thinks we can increase good judgement or personal responsibility with firearms, or anything for that matter, with regulation or legislation isn't very smart. the bad guys have been carrying concealed weapons (firearms) without state mandated training or a permit forever.
I don't buy into this notion that all of sudden lots more people with no experience or training with a gun are just going to start carrying all the time because they don't need a license. violent crime goes down when more law-abiding citizens carry guns, not up.
Yo Jamie "violet crime goes down when more law-abiding citizens carry guns" there are a lot of studies that wave the flag both ways on this subject. I read thru some and think there is a political bias IDK. Many said violent crime goes up.
damn right any study of something like violent crime is likely to have some bias, especially if done by a university. like the one from Stanford in 2017 that used some whacko new statistical technique called "synthetic control". I'll bet the Violence Policy Center has all kinds of studies that show legal carry increases violent crime. I'm talking actual statistics, not "studies".
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Yep that would be good. Pretty hard to isolate it to one factor. Don't think the numbers will change much on way or the othe
There was a police precinct in the High School where I worked. 3 uniformed armed cops walked the halls and stuff. Sargent in charged advcated firearm training and a shooting team. School board said NO. Those cops were good guys and got along good with most of the kids. Some hood stuff spilled over into the school.