Numbers.. Ohio's 2011-12 White-tailed Deer Season -8%

[Jackalope]

It's just not crossbows brother.. I have a couple of buddies who sold the crossbows to get compounds, for more of a "challenge". They have wounded more deer in 1 season than I have in a lifetime.. There are a couple on here like that....

I agree. I meant to say they go to gander and grab a bow off the shelf and some arrows. Not imply it was only crossbows. Trust me. I know. A prop here in Clark I hunted some late last season has a guy that hunts there. Shoots a compound and wounded 6 last year. Where Alex hunts the landowners kid wounded 3-4 with a compound. I meant to say bow when I mentioned arrows.

 

[huntn2]

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I hope like hell it's not that high....that's some bad PR for bowhunters and with the newest bow technology that's fuggin horrible if it's true.

even if the percent of wounded/hunter stays the same @ 10 percent wounding 1 hypothetically, the killed and not recovered goes from 15,500 to 34,500 with the increase in hunters...

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[mrex]

What does that have to do with the price of tea in china?

It's the old talk/walk analogy. Like you, he's blaming Mike Tonkovich for ending deer hunting as we know it and "trying" to kill does at the same time. Kind of hypocritical...don't you think?

 

[Ohiosam]

In 2001 the DOW said there were 155,000 bowhunters...in 2011 they said there are 345,000...

Interesting. I've felt for awhile that where I hunt deer were acting more pressured during bow season. I knew there were more bow hunters, wouldn't have guess that much change.

 

[rgecko23]

I agree. I meant to say they go to gander and grab a bow off the shelf and some arrows. Not imply it was only crossbows. Trust me. I know. A prop here in Clark I hunted some late last season has a guy that hunts there. Shoots a compound and wounded 6 last year. Where Alex hunts the landowners kid wounded 3-4 with a compound. I meant to say bow when I mentioned arrows.

I havea friend where he goes and hunts his buddies property maybe 3-4 times a season. Doesn;t like to hunt with them very often because the amount of deer they wound and do not recover over and over. It wassomething rediculous like 6 before the rut even happened last year.

 

[mrex]

So if we're sincere about wanting the deer herd to rebound, maybe we should police ourselves and lobby the state to implement a bowhunter proficiency test?

 

[Jackalope]

It's the old talk/walk analogy. Like you, he's blaming Mike Tonkovich for ending deer hunting as we know it and "trying" to kill does at the same time. Kind of hypocritical...don't you think?

Wrong... Nice try though. It's not hypocritical. There are honey holes that have and always will produce does regardless of what the dnr does. This is due to lack of pressure on that property or surrounding properties. However those areas are becoming very very small as an overall picture in Ohio. And the dnr is making it their mission to reduce those areas. The same policies that can reduce a population in a low hunter density areas can destroy them in higher density areas. He can destroy Fayette county, but he will never impact the population here in Columbus. It's not being a hypocrit if someone hunts Columbus.

Furthermore it's not the hunters job to base their harvest limits on their own deer population opinion to preserve the herd...If hunters as a whole were capable of that we wouldn't need the odnr at all. We could manage it ourselves. We can't, so We employ state biologists whose job it is to set harvest numbers to ensure we aren't killing too many.. However the sell outs have ensured we ARE killing too many.

 

[epe]

So if we're sincere about wanting the deer herd to rebound, maybe we should police ourselves and lobby the state to implement a bowhunter proficiency test?

I think there should be a proficiency test. They do it at certain city deer hunting programs..

 

[Jackalope]

I think there should be a proficiency test. They do it at certain city deer hunting programs..

I agree. We should. And that might reduce the wounding rate some and help increase the numbers slightly. But not nearly enough for a "rebound". Lol


Orrrrrrr we could police our dnr and state biologists to stop their scorched earth management practices... Because at the end of the day THAT is where the blame lies.

 

[Gern186]

I can only imagine how hard it would be to pass a bowhunter proficiency test........look how hard it is to pass a driving test... a hunters safety course....damn near anybody can do it and a bowhunter test would be just the same.

 

[Milo]

I am more in favor of a bowhunters Ed course with certified instructor that have a proficiency test in them than I am passing a government run test that is subject to interpretation by what ever PETA fugg gets elected agenda. Proficiency is not really gonna help IMHO.

 

[epe]

I can only imagine how hard it would be to pass a bowhunter proficiency test........look how hard it is to pass a driving test... a hunters safety course....damn near anybody can do it and a bowhunter test would be just the same.

Just because you can pass a written test doesn't mean you can Shoot a bow..

 

[brock ratcliff]

The fact we haven't implemented Bowhunter Ed is a shame. There is a learning curve when picking up the bow. Prey animals are what suffers through the curve.

 

[Carpn]

I find that wounding rate to be unbelievably high. Either way if that is in print its a horrible stat thats out there for people to read. One thing to keep in mind before you start throwing numbers around is alot of deer survive arrow hits and heal up fine.

 

[Kaiser878]

I guess doe managing should only be done in pockets where the doe population is bountiful.....Now booking for the 2012-13 deer season, doe management hunts at the Kaiser Ranch......Prices to be determined.....

 

[Kaiser878]

I am more in favor of a bowhunters Ed course with certified instructor that have a proficiency test in them than I am passing a government run test that is subject to interpretation by what ever PETA fugg gets elected agenda. Proficiency is not really gonna help IMHO.

Correct, you cannot simulate "Buck Fever" Nor can u simulate anxiety

 

[Gern186]

Just because you can pass a written test doesn't mean you can Shoot a bow..

That's what I am saying though, the test would be useless because of the fact that many guys can target shoot and hit bullseyes all day long, but put a live animal in front of them under varying conditions and they will hit 1's and 2's.......

I know several guys like this that have many years under their belt and still struggle to effectively kill a deer with a bow.

 

[epe]

It's the old talk/walk analogy. Like you, he's blaming Mike Tonkovich for ending deer hunting as we know it and "trying" to kill does at the same time. Kind of hypocritical...don't you think?

Deer populations have pockets.. So if marietta and Columbus are the same size in sq ft, should they have the same amount of police officers?

 

[Jackalope]

I guess doe managing should only be done in pockets where the doe population is bountiful.....Now booking for the 2012-13 deer season, doe management hunts at the Kaiser Ranch......Prices to be determined.....

Give it time man.. Those people moving in on you looking for deer will have an impact soon enough. Expect more to follow as areas they once hunted are depleted and they look for a new bountiful area to hunt.

 

[mrex]

Wrong... Nice try though. It's not hypocritical. There are honey holes that have and always will produce does regardless of what the dnr does. This is due to lack of pressure on that property or surrounding properties. However those areas are becoming very very small as an overall picture in Ohio. And the dnr is making it their mission to reduce those areas. The same policies that can reduce a population in a low hunter density areas can destroy them in higher density areas. He can destroy Fayette county, but he will never impact the population here in Columbus. It's not being a hypocrit if someone hunts Columbus.

Furthermore it's not the hunters job to base their harvest limits on their own deer population opinion to preserve the herd...If hunters as a whole were capable of that we wouldn't need the odnr at all. We could manage it ourselves. We can't, so We employ state biologists whose job it is to set harvest numbers to ensure we aren't killing too many.. However the sell outs have ensured we ARE killing too many.

So what your saying is that you and Jesse are qualified to make the call of which areas need them thinned out but the rest of us need the states help...thanks for clearing that up. And and I'm pretty sure Jesse was trying to kill does in the same place he claims the deer herd to be decimated.