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Jackalope

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Well just not certain to me means the jury isstill out - but don sound too good - thanks joe

Not if they're shipping the vaccine globally it doesn't. The "jury is still out" to me would mean it's not approved for distribution and needs further testing to answer a massive question with huge implications. In this case the decision has been made without all the facts.
 

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Not like. In addition to. It would essentially be creating millions upon million of more spreaders all over the globe at a near instant pace.

Since they can't answer the question of if a vaccinated person will be contagious I wonder if they plan to make every single healthy person they give it to quarantine for 2-3 weeks.

The bigger problem is the moral dilemma. People should have a right to say no, or demand better testing and science before getting one. . They should be able to do so without worrying that a pharmaceutical company is going to put them at increased danger from self-created vaccinated spreaders.
 
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Quantum673

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Not like. In addition to. It would essentially be creating millions upon million of more spreaders all over the globe at a near instant pace.

Since they can't answer the question of if a vaccinated person will be contagious I wonder if they plan to make every single healthy person they give it to quarantine for 2-3 weeks.

The bigger problem is the moral dilemma. People should have a right to say no, or demand better testing and science before getting one. . They should be able to do so without worrying that a pharmaceutical company is going to put them at increased danger from self-created vaccinated spreaders.

Not sure that is how I read it but I am not medical expert and I did not stay at a holiday inn express.

Do they meant that the vaccine will possibly make them contagious or are they saying that if they are exposed to the actual virus they could still be able to spread it?
 
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Jackalope

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Not sure that is how I read it but I am not medical expert and I did not stay at a holiday inn express.

Do they meant that the vaccine will possibly make them contagious or are they saying that if they are exposed to the actual virus they could still be able to spread it?

Vaccinations work by injecting partial or weakened viral RNA strands into a person's body. This tricks the body into thinking it's under attack and the immune system does it's thing. Since the virus is weakened it can usually be taken care of pretty quickly. Usually. This is why people often get sick right after getting a flu shot. They basically gave you A mild flu to create an immune response. The key thing is the body has to develop an immune blueprint to use the next time it comes under attack by the same virus. The next time you're exposed to the virus your body can fight it immediately because it already knows and kills it before it ever replicates inside the body. It's like the cops passing around a mugshot of a most wanted man in the morning briefing. None of them have ever seen him for real, but when they do there will be no question that it's the right person.

With that said. If the vaccine is successful at creating an immune response then the person will not get infected later, and if they aren't infected they can't be contagious. They become an immune barrier. The question regarding vaccinated people being contagious is from the vaccine itself during the period where the weakened virus has not been killed yet and the body is still dveloping the initial immune response.

A vaccine that allowed people to still contract and spread a virus wouldn't be much of a vaccination but rather a medication that negats symptoms. Like if you took NyQuil and you never had flu symptoms again but you could still catch and spread it.
 
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Quantum673

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The flu vaccine is a dead virus. You cannot get the flu from the vaccination. Some people have side effects that appear as flu like symptoms.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/dise...H: You can catch the,going to get sick anyway.

The Covid Vaccine is synthetic. I believe it tricks the body into creating antibodies.

Like I said I have no real clue as I am no medic. Just the way I understand medical articles like above.
 
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Wouldn't this be something:

The Chinese biological laboratory in Wuhan is owned by Glaxo. Who, by chance, owns Pfizer (the one who produces the vaccine.) Which, by chance, is managed by Black Rock finances. Who, by chance, manages the finances of the Open Foundation Company (SOROS FOUNDATION). Coincidentally, he owns the German company Winterthur. Who, by chance, built the Chinese laboratory in Wuhan. Accidentally bought by the German Allianz. Which, incidentally, has Vanguard as a shareholder. Which is a shareholder of Black Rock. Which controls the central banks and manages about ONE THIRD of the global investment capital. Which, incidentally, is a major shareholder of MICROSOFT The property of BILL GATES, who happens to be a shareholder of PFIZER (which sells the miracle vaccine).
 

Jackalope

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The flu vaccine is a dead virus. You cannot get the flu from the vaccination. Some people have side effects that appear as flu like symptoms.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/10-flu-myths#:~:text=MYTH: You can catch the,going to get sick anyway.

The Covid Vaccine is synthetic. I believe it tricks the body into creating antibodies.

Like I said I have no real clue as I am no medic. Just the way I understand medical articles like above.

Ah. Therein lies the semantics of when they say you can't get the flu from the flu vaccination. This is true. You will not be "infected" or "contagious". However, your body does produce an immune response where side effects are headache, fever, muscle aches, and nausea. Everything that your body does when fighting an active flu infection. Most of the symptoms of sickness of the flu are not caused by the virus itself but rather the immune response to the virus. So the shot didn't give you the flu as they can rightfully claim, but it can and often does give people all the effects of having the flu, but usually on a lesser scale. They like to say that it doesn't give you the flu, what they can not say honestly is it doesn't make you sick.

Unfortunately, they aren't able to make the same claim with the covid vaccination. Side effects are pretty much the same, and often is anytime you elicit an immune response. The covid vaccinations don't use dead or weakened virus DNA but rather a snippet of virus DNA to create the same spike protein that covid uses to attach to a cell and then destroy it. The theory being that if a covid spike protein tries to attach to a cell the immune system will destroy the protein. With that said they can claim that the vaccine is "synthetic". Well, anything that isn't completely natural and has been modified by man is "synthetic". Technically the flu vaccine is synthetic.
 

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The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines trick your body into making spike proteins, by injecting you with messenger RNA. Once your body makes sufficient quantities of the spike protein, your immune system can mount an antigenic response against it.

But because the vaccine is administered in two doses, 30 days apart, there is a period of time where a partially innoculated person could unwittingly transmit SARS-COV2 to others.

Personally, I think this concern (of continued transmission) is minor. I'm more concerned that with FDA's typical lethargic approval cycle, people at risk will needlessly perish.

It's unlikely that means virus tech doesn't work, given that at least two different vaccines had >90% success conferring immunity.

All too often we look at these organizations as groups who bend the rules at the risk to the public, for their own self interest.

As a person who has worked inside two of them, building plants to make various pharma products (Plaquenil, Vyvanse, Omnipaque), most often, internal QA nonsense (oversight) exceeds what regulation requires. Most of the manufacturing controls placed upon drugmakers are actually industry consensus standards, rather than laws. ICH Q7A being the best example.

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Just a little update since this is crazy how it affects everyone differently. My in 80s old grand father had been admitted to charlevoix hospital with pneumonia covid was released after a relatively short stay (2day or less). My 91yr old grandma has felt sick and worn down but nothing serious. It's been a few weeks since they have tested positive now. My uncle and cousin are staying with them to get them back to health. This has been the worry of most in my family since the start, what if they get it.....as of now they are good.
 

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Wouldn't this be something:

The Chinese biological laboratory in Wuhan is owned by Glaxo. Who, by chance, owns Pfizer (the one who produces the vaccine.) Which, by chance, is managed by Black Rock finances. Who, by chance, manages the finances of the Open Foundation Company (SOROS FOUNDATION). Coincidentally, he owns the German company Winterthur. Who, by chance, built the Chinese laboratory in Wuhan. Accidentally bought by the German Allianz. Which, incidentally, has Vanguard as a shareholder. Which is a shareholder of Black Rock. Which controls the central banks and manages about ONE THIRD of the global investment capital. Which, incidentally, is a major shareholder of MICROSOFT The property of BILL GATES, who happens to be a shareholder of PFIZER (which sells the

Is this true or just - wonder if
 

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Covid became the leading cause of death in the USA today

As a marketing person, I was taught how to makes the #s say what I wanted them to say. This fact, in terms of total #s, does not factor in all of the co-morbidity, nor does it account for the decrease is traffic accidents and a host of other common killers that have less #s due to lockdown restrictions. It's a deceiving statistic.
 
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Geezer II

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As a marketing person, I was taught how to makes the #s say what I wanted them to say. This fact, in terms of total #s, does not factor in all of the co-morbidity, nor does it account for the decrease is traffic accidents and a host of other common killers that have less #s due to lockdown restrictions. It's a deceivin

Yeah i knw the numbers dont lie but ....... thing . - So what are the numbers today
 

Geezer II

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Whatever. I've tried to stay out of this thread but pure bullshit has drawn me back in. People WITH covid are dying. Covid isn't killing most of those people.
Well nothing i have said on this thread is my personal opinion - just passing on tv news - i don't have a bullshit dector so its hard to get the truth - watching fox now - don't run off - don't mean to offend anyone - sorry if i offended you
 

giles

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Well nothing i have said on this thread is my personal opinion - just passing on tv news - i don't have a bullshit dector so its hard to get the truth - watching fox now - don't run off - don't mean to offend anyone - sorry if i offended you
You didn't run me off. Its just a very touchy subject and I have no filter. One minute I'm scared to death of this, the next its almost a joke. Not a good place for me to be ranting about. This is hitting very close to some and I think it will hit close to everyone before its over.

Covid being the leading "cause" of death is complete bullshit though.
 

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Just a little update since this is crazy how it affects everyone differently. My in 80s old grand father had been admitted to charlevoix hospital with pneumonia covid was released after a relatively short stay (2day or less). My 91yr old grandma has felt sick and worn down but nothing serious. It's been a few weeks since they have tested positive now. My uncle and cousin are staying with them to get them back to health. This has been the worry of most in my family since the start, what if they get it.....as of now they are good.


It's crazy. My grandmother who is 94 and in a nursing home barely had any symptoms just lethargic and a fever. Her sister and he sisters husband both in the 80s died within a week of testing positive.
 

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I think this is day 14 for Dad. He's still symptomatic. He thinks his brother has it now. It's going to be a long winter.

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