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2019-nCoV (Coronavirus)

Hedgelj said:
The Covid vaccine is completely different from the others. We also don't have any long term studies on this vaccine like we do on many others. This vaccine contains different things (mRNA) vs parts of the virus. Apples to oranges.

There have been GRAVE issues in the early days of other vaccines.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html

So the concern in being early in line is potentially valid depending on your mindset.
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Same population that don't get flu shots probably won't get the covid vaccine - not good at ending a pandemic - but leaves more vaccine for those that want it
 
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Are there any numbers out there about the population of people who do not have health problems getting very ill/dying? I know of one healthy person actually getting sick.
I consider myself pretty damn healthy (aside from my weekend whiskey drinks and love for Christmas cookies at the moment). I’ve had some long term issues from testing positive back in July, but it’d be interesting to see those numbers
 
Geezer II said:
Apples and oranges - the polio vaccine is a weakened or diactivated strain of polio. The covid 19 vaccine does not contain the virus in any form but is new technology - the vaccine is mNra the triggers you body to develop antibodies against the virus. - just say n
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The point was undesirable results can, have, and does, happen when you rush things.
 
Jackalope said:
The point was undesirable results can, have, and does, happen when you rush things.
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I get it - can happen with your next jug of milk - the polio thing was a flat out mistake - put live virus in the vaccine - no matter what some people will be allergic to medications - just don 't get the vaccine if you don't trust the science -
 
I went for a procedure on Fri. while there I asked every doctor and nurse there if they were getting the vaccine... Each and everyone said most definately, in fact we are getting it Monday... If doctors are getting it I feel safe with it...
 
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Geezer II said:
I get it - can happen with your next jug of milk - the polio thing was a flat out mistake - put live virus in the vaccine - no matter what some people will be allergic to medications - just don 't get the vaccine if you don't trust the science -
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Someone can trust the science, but science still requires adequate testing. Trusting science and trusting the production process are two different things.
 
Fletch said:
I went for a procedure on Fri. while there I asked every doctor and nurse there if they were getting the vaccine... Each and everyone said most definately, in fact we are getting it Monday... If doctors are getting it I feel safe with it...
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Fun fact. The journal of patient safety estimates that 221,000 to 440,000 people die each year in the US due to preventable medical errors... Aka a doctor killed them. This excludes patients that died as a result of their illness or injury due to substandard care and only accounts for medical errors or mistakes. This is a rate higher than stroke, accidents and alheimers combined.
 
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Jackalope said:
Fun fact. The journal of patient safety estimates that 221,000 to 440,000 people die each year in the US due to preventable medical errors... Aka a doctor killed them. This excludes patients that died as a result of their illness or injury due to substandard care and only accounts for medical errors or mistakes. This is a rate higher than stroke, accidents and alheimers combined.
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Almost been there - on IV after surgery - became disconnected i was bleeding out on the floor - wife discovered it when she came to visit -
 
Jackalope said:
Fun fact. The journal of patient safety estimates that 221,000 to 440,000 people die each year in the US due to preventable medical errors... Aka a doctor killed them. This excludes patients that died as a result of their illness or injury due to substandard care and only accounts for medical errors or mistakes. This is a rate higher than stroke, accidents and alheimers combined.
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Oh believe me I don't have alot of faith in doctors... They are always F-ing up... I could tell you some horror stories....
 
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Do mask mandates and stringent business closures work? The evidence suggests not.


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Yeah lock n the barn door after the horses are gone - TOO many refuse to follow mandate to make it effective - need numbers on wearing a mask and not wearing a mask - mask wearing became a political issue not a medical issue as the divide continues the numbers will be divided - to little to late - herd immunity will not happen - vaccines are the best chance we have
 
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Geezer II said:
Yeah lock n the barn door after the horses are gone - TOO many refuse to follow mandate to make it effective - need numbers on wearing a mask and not wearing a mask - mask wearing became a political issue not a medical issue as the divide continues the numbers will be divided - to little to late - herd immunity will not happen - vaccines are the best chance we have
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If not wearing masks was an issue you would see areas no mask mandates spiking faster and going higher than areas with mandates, even with less than full compliance to the mandates, but that is not what is happening.
 
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Clay Showalter said:
If not wearing masks was an issue you would see areas no mask mandates spiking faster and going higher than areas with mandates, even with less than full compliance to the mandates, but that is not what is happening.
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Just because there is a no mask mandate doesn't mean that some people in that state don't wear masks - didja notice that most political leaders are wearing masks now and lineing up for vaccine shots
 
Geezer II said:
Just because there is a no mask mandate doesn't mean that some people in that state don't wear masks - didja notice that most political leaders are wearing masks now and lineing up for vaccine shots
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But that would also provide evidence that mandating masks doesn't do any good. The charts above make those comparisons. From what those comparisons are showing, mandates do little to no good, and in some cases have increased the rate if covid. My guess is by increasing face touching and improper mask handling.
 
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Jackalope said:
But that would also provide evidence that mandating masks doesn't do any good. The charts above make those comparisons. From what those comparisons are showing, mandates do little to no good, and in some cases have increased the rate if covid. My guess is by increasing face touching and improper mask handling.
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Yes you may be right would be interesting to see mask vs no mask cases - mandates had too many people that refused to comply to be effective - people braged about not wearing them like it was some kind of badge of honor and i guess it was for some - for me the fact the there wasn' t compliance with the mandate by millions of people makes that graph thing useless - semi- mandates don't work to well - just say n - cdc - medical experts, political leaders sing n a different tune - well were world leaders covid wise now - shows ya what we know

I agree mandates do no good if there is no compliance -
 
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