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2019-nCoV (Coronavirus)

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Lots of hate going on in this thread lol. Currently the wife has it, she’s doing fine w sinus, headache and a cough. I’m out from work due to her being sick and having to quarantine. This delta strain is more contagious w lessor levels of sickness for most. It is effecting the younger people more that “don’t need the vaccine “. I did get the vaccine earlier this year and have yet to get it yet. People that have been vaccinated are definitely seeing minor cases.

So I woke up this morning and thought sit outside all day and look for chores to do or…. Go fishing.
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triple_duece said:
Lots of hate going on in this thread lol. Currently the wife has it, she’s doing fine w sinus, headache and a cough. I’m out from work due to her being sick and having to quarantine. This delta strain is more contagious w lessor levels of sickness for most. It is effecting the younger people more that “don’t need the vaccine “. I did get the vaccine earlier this year and have yet to get it yet. People that have been vaccinated are definitely seeing minor cases.

So I woke up this morning and thought sit outside all day and look for chores to do or…. Go fishing. View attachment 132021
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Nice hot day for some fishing. I hope the little lady gets to feeling better soon. Interresting that you would have to stay home and self quarantine since you've been vaccinated. But hey I wouldn't question it, enjoy those days off! (y) :ROFLMAO:
 
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Jackalope said:
Nice hot day for some fishing. I hope the little lady gets to feeling better soon. Interresting that you would have to stay home and self quarantine since you've been vaccinated. But hey I wouldn't question it, enjoy those days off! (y) :ROFLMAO:
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Well the vaccine was never thought about as never getting it. How many people get the flu shot “vaccine? People still get the flu right. The vaccine reduces the severity of the symptoms. We quarantine to reduce exposure to our department.

We actually kept our own data since hospitals, and government can’t and most times they are off, or count double, thinking they can control the fear. Not telling the truth is the worst that you could do, and they think we are sheep and can control us.

We have not had one first responder infected due to working on a pt. The covid that we have contracted to our members are from their friends and family. Generally if you live w your sick family member you will more likely than not….get it yourself. We’ve only had two personnel get it that was vaccinated. A couple people have gotten it twice.

In my opinion, everyone (most) will get covid, if the shot offers some protection then it’s the way to go. Antibodies from having it are not lasting as long as thought and having different strains doesn’t help. This is a man made flu, this is my opinion. I respect everyone’s decision to get vaccinated or not. To stick your head in the sand is the dumbest shit you can do. Educate yourself and make it your decision.

I may catch it from my wife, could’ve already had it w no symptoms idk. it’s not going away.
 
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Well the vaccine was never thought about as never getting it. How many people get the flu shot “vaccine? People still get the flu right. The vaccine reduces the severity of the symptoms. We quarantine to reduce exposure to our department.

We actually kept our own data since hospitals, and government can’t and most times they are off, or count double, thinking they can control the fear. Not telling the truth is the worst that you could do, and they think we are sheep and can control us.

We have not had one first responder infected due to working on a pt. The covid that we have contracted to our members are from their friends and family. Generally if you live w your sick family member you will more likely than not….get it yourself. We’ve only had two personnel get it that was vaccinated. A couple people have gotten it twice.

In my opinion, everyone (most) will get covid, if the shot offers some protection then it’s the way to go. Antibodies from having it are not lasting as long as thought and having different strains doesn’t help. This is a man made flu, this is my opinion. I respect everyone’s decision to get vaccinated or not. To stick your head in the sand is the dumbest shit you can do. Educate yourself and make it your decision.

I may catch it from my wife, could’ve already had it w no symptoms idk. it’s not going away.
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No question about it, the vaccination reduces the severity and acts as a therapeutic. The data is pretty clear on that. Unfortunately, the data on adverse effects from vaccination are being pretty obfuscated also. The truth of the matter is if this wants a global pandemic all of those shots would have been pulled on day 2. But it's a collateral damage thing. It'll help more than it hurts and they're ok with that. "Acceptable casualties" if you will. Since it's a pandemic the acceptable if monumentally greater than it would have ever been with any other drug. To each their own, and as you said honesty is the best policy, unfortunately, there hasn't been much honesty.

Now. How ya gonna cook those reds?
 
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Jackalope said:
No question about it, the vaccination reduces the severity and acts as a therapeutic. The data is pretty clear on that. Unfortunately, the data on adverse effects from vaccination are being pretty obfuscated also. The truth of the matter is if this wants a global pandemic all of those shots would have been pulled on day 2. But it's a collateral damage thing. It'll help more than it hurts and they're ok with that. "Acceptable casualties" if you will. Since it's a pandemic the acceptable if monumentally greater than it would have ever been with any other drug. To each their own, and as you said honesty is the best policy, unfortunately, there hasn't been much honesty.

Now. How ya gonna cook those reds?
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Please enlighten me on the adverse effects from getting the shot.
 
Jackalope said:
While I'm on the topic. Lets talk cellular function, mRNA and DNA in shorthand.

The statement that the vaccine doesn't mess with your DNA is true and false. One of the functions of a cell is this highly complex process to create proteins and genetic material that formulates DNA and sustains life. The vaccines synthetic mRNA is an instruction booklet for your genetic engine to create a protein that it has no idea how to manufacture. Ribosomes make these three dimensional proteins that are the essential building blocks of life. Once it creates the proteins as instructed by the synthetic mRNA, your bodies protector the immune system recognizes it as a bad creation and attacks it. The protien that it's being instructed to make is the spike protien that Covid uses to dock on your cell and inject it's own mRNA. So while it does not "alter" your DNA, it absolutely hijacks the extremely complex process used to create the building blocks of life. By the way, this is the same way that cancer forms in your cells. Cancer is nothing more than bad genetic material created by cells. Every second of every day your body is destroying these bad creations. Unfortunately sometimes your immune system doesn't recognize them as bad, or they multiply faster than your body can control and you end up with cancer that is growing. This is why an extremely high white blood cell count is a warning sign that someone may have cancer. In essence the vaccination quite literally tricks your body into creating a cancerous protein that your body recognizes and attacks. The synthetic mRNA is not created by the body so the process cannot continue beyond it's availability to the ribosomes.

So while they can say the vaccination doesn't mess with or alter your "DNA" it absolutely temporarily hijacks the system that plays a critical role in the formulation of you DNA and your very building blocks of life. It's voodoo science, and the reason it spent decades as black magic and was never taken serious in any scientific communities. There is still far too much that is unknown about messing with mRNA and cellular functions. Necessity is the mother of all inventions and sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. Just like in war there is an acceptable casualty rate.

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You're also both right and wrong.

There are different types of RNA and they all have different jobs within our cells. Short version of how we get proteins (if you want the longer version look up transcription and translation of DNA into protein). The DNA gets unzipped and then the DNA sequence for the protein gets transcripted into m(messenger)RNA. The mRNA can leave the nucleus and get out to a ribosome where proteins are made. Inside the ribosome the mRNA is translated by tRNA into a protein chain. The proteins then obtain their shapes based upon the chemistry of the different amino acids in the chain.

The vaccine gets into your cell and tells it to make a protein. This protein is for the spike protein of covid. Then your body makes its immune response to this "foreign" protein which then allows it to have an immune response when the actual covid comes in with this spike protein.

I would debate/argue that it doesn't hijack any system. The mRNA goes into the cell and the cell uses it just like any other mRNA strand that comes to exist inside a cell. mRNA has no input into the formulation of your own DNA.

Cancer has many different causes and this could get in depth easily AND its not established and verified science, they are still studying it or else we'd have cures. Inside your DNA there are oncogenes (ones that cause cancer) and anti-oncogenes (ones that stop cancer) and then there are other genes that have other effects that can increase or decrease your susceptibility to cancer. If an oncogene gets turned on and the other genes don't turn it off then you get cancer.

There have been other attempts prior to Covid for mRNA vaccines. However, they didn't work and had minimal effect. So one of my questions with the whole process has been what changed and how did they get it to work this time......or was the amount of money enough to finally overcome these issues? I dunno but its been one of my main skeptical points for the vaccine.

There are other RNA viruses. Examples include some of the hepatitis viruses, rabies, mumps, MERS, influenza, etc. They all work in similar fashion in that they only contain RNA so they need to "hijack" the cell to cause infection yet we aren't seeing any major health concerns after contracting these diseases in regards to messed up DNA. So why is everyone up in arms about this vaccine?
 
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Please enlighten me on the adverse effects from getting the shot.
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There are plenty of testimonials regarding adverse health impacts in otherwise healthy individuals after receiving the vaccination. Some of which I posted yesterday. Not just allergic reactions but serious and inexplicable neurological issues, stroke, cardiac issues, sudden deaths and the now well known blood clot issue. This isn't anecdotal but occurring with visible regularity in communities. The VAERS database is packed with reports of these and they're simply too similar to consider them all coincidental. We have a woman here in town who within days of receiving a vaccine has had some pretty serious neurological issues that are ongoing. Constant uncontrollable muscle spasms etc. The lack of an official smoking gun diagnosis doesn't prove it's not a result of the vaccine. I mean if I was in the CDC and FDA's shoes and knew there was an acceptable level of casualties and this just had to get done, what benefit would it be to panic the sheep. Best to just ignore and pretend like everything is ok to charge forward with the agenda. It's not the first time they've done such a thing. The public has been lied to and misled at every turn with this pandemic, much of it for political gain. Hell, they can't even agree on mask usage. The surgeon general of the United States took to Twitter early in the pandemic and lied to the American people that masks were useless and please stop buying them. Fauci lied about it and later admitted to lying about it because he believed it was in the best interest of public good that hospitals be allowed to suck up the available supply first. He completely denied funding gain of function research in Wuhan and now that he's been called out about it with proof he wants to argue the semantics of his very own definition of gain of function. The adverse reaction information is out there, there is a serious problem. like I said earlier, if this wasn't a global pandemic and this was say a batch of flu shots, they would have yanked them from the market immediately. But here we are, the greater good.
 
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Best to just ignore and pretend like everything is ok to charge forward with the agenda. It's not the first time they've done such a thing. The public has been lied to and misled at every turn with this pandemic, much of it for political gain. Hell, they can't even agree on mask usage. The surgeon general of the United States took to Twitter early in the pandemic and lied to the American people that masks were useless and please stop buying them. Fauci lied about it and later admitted to lying about it because he believed it was in the best interest of public good that hospitals be allowed to suck up the available supply first. He completely denied funding gain of function research in Wuhan and now that he's been called out about it with proof he wants to argue the semantics of his very own definition of gain of function. The adverse reaction information is out there, there is a serious problem. like I said earlier, if this wasn't a global pandemic and this was say a batch of flu shots, they would have yanked them from the market immediately. But here we are, the greater good.
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This this and more of this.....But you can't bring any of this up with most of the public b/c the mainstream media and social media don't allow it to show up without being called a crazy person or worse.
 
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