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Ohiosam

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The only problem I have with my slug guns, 20 or 12's is the price of the ammo. They have us and they know it, we'll pay the price for the best performing loads:)

Yep, the worst part is that it discourages practice. So while these guns are good to 150-200 yards how many shoot enough to be proficient at those ranges.
 

jagermeister

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Ok so I've been contemplating a new, dedicated slug gun. I really like the accu-trigger on the Savages. What would you guys recommend... the 12 or 20 gauge? I know the 20 is plenty to kill a deer, but are there any disadvantages or advantages to picking the 20 over the 12? Accuracy... range... etc.?

Also... What's the advantage of choosing the Savage bolt gun over a 870 fully-rifled cantilever pump gun? Is accuracy noticeably better? Reason I ask is because right now Fin Feather Fur has the Savage 220 for $450 and I can get a 12ga 870 slug gun for only $380. Thoughts?
 
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Lundy

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There was a time when the 20's just couldn't match the 12's in performance especially if you wanted to stretch things out a bit. Those days are gone for the most part.

It really comes down to the kind of slugs you are willing to purchase to wring the maximum performance out of both the 12 and the 20. There are many manufacturers that offer a lot of variations on "High Performance" slugs for both, however if you look a little closer you will see that there are some variations that will effect performance, especially downrange. There can be a fairly large difference in the claimed velocity from one manufacturer to another, some af that will have to do with the load itself, bullet weight and barrel length for the stated velocity. If you select both 12 and 20 ga that states 1900 FPS second you are shooting one of a few that are the fastest offered today. Next will be bullet itself and the BC. Some of the old copper solids and brenneke slugs fly like a brick. Most newer designs use a all copper bullet for better downrange flight, penetration and weight retention.

If you look at the power and range they are pretty similar will the 12 having some advantage on retained energy when you get out past 100 yds. As an example a 12 is still carrying 1136 ft lbs at 200 yds, a 20 is at 877 ft lbs. The 12 at 100 yds is 1774 ft lbs, the 20 is at 1484 ft lbs

If you set both guns up with a 100 zero both will be around 1.5 high at 50 yds ,zero at 100, and 1.5 low at 125.

If you set both up with a 150 yd zero both will be around 3 high at 100, zero at 150 and 7 -8" low at 200

The wind drift is also very similar with a 10MPH crosswind the 12 will drift 3" at 100 and 13" at 200 yds, the 20 will move 3" at 100 and 15" at 200 yds

All of the above number are using the slugs that I use in my 12's and 20's. These can change big time based upon what slug you purchase so check on your own what you intend to purchase.

http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/slug.aspx?id=994
http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/slug.aspx?id=996


Which gun is best for you is really up to you and how you hunt. If you are a hunter that likes the idea of quick followup shots a 870 with a rifled barrel will serve you very well. If you are a stand hunter that wants to take one shot and know exactly where it is going then the savage 220 might serve you better. Both guns are plenty accurate and work great.

One advantage to the savage bolt gun is that it was built for the sole purpose of accuaracy with slugs. If there is any downside of the 870's 1100's, 1187's, Mossburg 500's is that I seen many that will not shoot the 3" "High Performance" slugs anywhere as well as they shoot the toned down 2-3/4" slugs. The Savage will shoot the 3" or the 2-3/4 both very well. I know somebody will come on and say that their 870 or 1100 shoots 1" groups all day with the 3", I got it, it does happen, I also know first hand that it doesn't always happen.

I'm sure you would enjoy either.

Good luck,
Kim
 

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I have found the same thing with the Remingtons and Mossys. They will shoot 2 3/4 fine and and spit ball 3" slugs. Shallow rifling? The only barrel I have seen on a 870 shoot the 3" was a Carlson, I believe that was the name. But the barrel alone was $300.
 

Lundy

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If you are going to buy a gun that will be just a dedicated slug gun you also need to at least consider the H&R Ultra Slugster in 20 ga.

I own one in both 12 and 20 and they are both extremely accurate and shoot everything I have put in them very well. The only downside is the weight of the heavy barrel.
 

Jackalope

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Same here with my mossy and a cantilever rifeled barrel. She doesn't like hot slugs. The slug she shoots the best is actually not a sabot. It's the Winchester rackmaster slugs. 1 1/8 oz slug at 1650 fps in 2 3/4 with the winglide rear stabilizer. She'll put them in the vitals all day at 200. But the hornady sabots fly all over at 200.
 

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I'm a huge fan of Federal Premium Barnes Expanders, along with the Winchester Supreme Partition Golds. I've only shot the 2 3/4" from an 870 with a Hastings barrel, though... never the 3".

I'm just not really seeing the major advantage of shooting the 220 or HR ultra over the 870. Do I really need to shoot a 3" slug? How often will I be shooting past 150 yds? Seems to me that an 870 with slug barrel would be more than sufficient, and saving 70 bucks is a nice bonus too. Anyone care to talk me out of this line of thinking?

By the way, thank you very much for your insight, Kim... and Been and Joe.
 

Lundy

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Can't talk you out of your thinking on the 870, it is a good decision also and you will probably never notice the difference in the 2-3/4 to 3", it is not much.

Good luck
 

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Ok... Now I'm leaning towards the Savage 220. One because the reviews on it are incredibly solid, and two because it's just a bad ass looking gun. Decisions, decisions...
 

"J"

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Ok... Now I'm leaning towards the Savage 220. One because the reviews on it are incredibly solid, and two because it's just a bad ass looking gun. Decisions, decisions...

Go for it, you won't regret it.... And if your wife sees this than I was hacked!!!!!!! :smiley_clap:
 

Lundy

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Shot a pretty good 100 yd 5 shot group.


Shoots to the left!:)
 

Ohiosam

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Shoots to the left!:)

Lundy, Lundy, Lundy tsk, tsk,tsk. I thought you were smarter then that. J will be using this gun in a stand facing north, overlooking a field. I calculated that because of the earths rotation and Coriolis effect he needed .735' left windage. Since the scope is only adjustable in 1/4' clicks I rounded up.

Now if he shoots a deer to the east(like he was shooting at the range) west or south he'll just have to add a little Kentucky windage.













Did that clear it up for ya?
:)
 

"J"

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Lundy, Lundy, Lundy tsk, tsk,tsk. I thought you were smarter then that. J will be using this gun in a stand facing north, overlooking a field. I calculated that because of the earths rotation and Coriolis effect he needed .735' left windage. Since the scope is only adjustable in 1/4' clicks I rounded up.

Now if he shoots a deer to the east(like he was shooting at the range) west or south he'll just have to add a little Kentucky windage.













Did that clear it up for ya?
:)

rotflmao now that's the reason I go too the range with Sam!!! He's got it down too a science :smiley_coolpeace:
 

Lundy

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I thought maybe you were going to tell me it was zeroed at 100 yds for a 3 MPH, 90 degree, crosswind from the left, but your explanation makes a lot more sense.:)
 

jagermeister

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Boys, I did a bad bad thing tonight...























I just couldn't help myself. :smiley_blackeye:


The scope is a Nikon ProStaff 2-7x32 Shotgun model. I know, I probably could have done better in the optics department, but the price point on this scope was decent and Nikons have treated me well in the past. For the limited amount of shooting I'll be doing, I doubt that I'll notice any difference between it and a higher-end scope.

I can't wait to shoot this thing!

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The only thing that irked me tonight was I found out that Federal has apparently stopped producing their premium sabot loads with Barnes Expanders. There were still a bunch left on the shelf in 12 gauge but the 20's were all gone. The guy at the counter said it was because all the guys who bought Savage 220's this week cleaned up the last remaining 20 gauge Barnes Expanders. So I settled for 4 boxes of Federal Premium 'Trophy Copper.' They look real similar to the Barnes sabots, but I must admit I'm a bit skeptical as of right now. We'll see I guess...
 

jagermeister

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Oh, and this should go without saying, but don't none of you mention a word about this on da facebook... So far this one's flying under wifey's radar. lol
 

Milo

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Take them all back and get remington accutips...i know of 6 if these guns and they al like remington accutips the best