Good day @ the range

[jagermeister]

I see what you're saying, Sam. Sure doesn't seem like much of a difference for the remingtons.

The Federals however, according to their website, do seem to show a more significant difference...

Velocity - @ muzzle - 2.75" = 1700fps, 3" = 1900fps... @ 100yds - 2.75" = 1342fps, 3" = 1502fps

Energy - @ muzzle - 2.75" = 1765ft-lbs, 3" = 2204ft-lbs... @ 100yds - 2.75 = 1100ft-lbs, 3" = 1378ft-lbs

Wind drift seems to be fairly equal, but the 3" does show a slightly flatter trajectory.

 

[Ohiosam]

Not sure how federal does it, would like to see if a chronograph agrees with their data. Winchester says their 3" mags give a 100 fps (5%) advantage.

SAAMI specs puts the maximum pressures for both 2 3/4 and 3 inch at 11,500 psi. 3 1/2 inch can go up 14,000 psi.
http://cdk357.tripod.com/saami.html

 

[jagermeister]

Yea... I suppose ammunition companies inflate their velocity specs just like the archery companies. A chronograph would be the real test. I read an article by Randy Wakeman that said his testing with a chronograph shows almost every slug manufacturer's velocity is usually 100 fps or more lower than what's advertised.

 

["J"]

Yea... I suppose ammunition companies inflate their velocity specs just like the archery companies. A chronograph would be the real test. I read an article by Randy Wakeman that said his testing with a chronograph shows almost every slug manufacturer's velocity is usually 100 fps or more lower than what's advertised.

The old + or - game.... Wonder if they use the 10% rule lol....

 

[Lundy]

This is pretty typical of what you see published by the ammo manufacturers. They are not lying, they are just using a longer barrel than anyone uses in the real world.

This is part of the Wakeman article written on the 220 where he did run some loads through the chronograph.

After a few initial targeting shots, I ran several of the Federal PT209XT1 loads through the chronograph. As it turns out, the 1900 fps velocity published by Federal was wishful thinking according to my chronographs. Its 5 foot muzzle velocity ranged from 1725 to 1800 fps, with an average velocity of 1752 fps. That changes things a bit. The six inch kill through the body hold range of this load in this individual rifle with the Federal ammo is about 163 yards, not the 176 yards you might assume from the Federal data.

I did a little further checking, and discovered that Federal is not at all alone is this regard. I'm advised that the standard test barrels for 20 gauge slugs are 30 inch barrels, although I am not aware of any common 20 gauge slug guns with barrels nearly that long, with 22 - 24 inches being the most common. You can expect significantly lower velocities from the stated MV of any of the most recent "high performance" 20 gauge slug loads. Only a chrono with a specific load will tell you for sure, but an average of 150 fps less muzzle velocity from the ammunition manufacturer's published velocities is a reasonable guess.

 

[Ohiosam]

Just to clarify I'm not saying not to use 3" slugs, they might shoot best in your gun, just don't expect big increases in velocity.

 

[jagermeister]

Yep, that's the same article that I read, Lundy. Wakeman seemed to be pretty satisfied with the accuracy of the Federal loads... That's one of the reasons I bought them. I guess I'll find out later today at the range just how well they perform! Stay tuned...

 

["J"]

Yep, that's the same article that I read, Lundy. Wakeman seemed to be pretty satisfied with the accuracy of the Federal loads... That's one of the reasons I bought them. I guess I'll find out later today at the range just how well they perform! Stay tuned...

Post up some pictures JB....:smiley_coolpeace:

 

[jagermeister]

It didn't take long at all to get this gun dialed in. So far, I'm really happy with it. I sighted it in just a couple inches high at 100yds, so I'd guess it's zeroed somewhere in the 130-140yd range.

Here's one of my 3-shot groups where I KNOW that I held solid and executed good shots. In the gun's defense, I had a shitty rest and I was prone to flinching. I can thank the 3" shells for that. It was rocking me pretty hard... surprisingly hard actually. I think I'll be switching to 2.75" slugs when these are gone.

At 100yds...

It's a good group... But I truly believe it can do better. With a better rest and better shooting form (and maybe even 2.75" shells) I really think this group will shrink.

Here's a question for you other guys with the 220F... How soft is your recoil pad? The gun I picked up off the shelf at The Fin had a squishy, almost gelly-like recoil pad. I talked on the phone with my brother and he said his recoil pad is the same way. However, the gun that I got has a rubber recoil pad that is not soft at all. It looks the same, but is completely stiff. I think I'm going to give Savage a call after the holiday and see what the deal is with this...

 

[jagermeister]

Well this pretty much answers my question about the recoil pad... Fast forward to 4:30.

[video=youtube;NK21Rf35bnE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK21Rf35bnE[/video]

Not sure how I got a shitty recoil pad on my gun, but I'll be finding out soon enough.

 

["J"]

That's a good enough too get the job done JB, but I'm with you on replacing the recoil pad (mines really spongey) That'll take some of the sting otu of and dropping down too the 2 3/4" shells will be even better....

That was my biggest complaint shooting in my last slug gun.... Kicked like a friggin mule..... The 220 has very little noticable recoil..... But @ 100 yards those rounds should almost be touching each other in my opinion, so I'd probably pick up a couple of more manufatured rounds and see what happens.... After the recoil pad change that is.... :smiley_coolpeace:

 

[Milo]

I noticed an accuracy improvement keeping the barrel clean. I clean every 2 shots made a difference in groups..

 

[jagermeister]

That's a good enough too get the job done JB, but I'm with you on replacing the recoil pad (mines really spongey) That'll take some of the sting otu of and dropping down too the 2 3/4" shells will be even better....

That was my biggest complaint shooting in my last slug gun.... Kicked like a friggin mule..... The 220 has very little noticable recoil..... But @ 100 yards those rounds should almost be touching each other in my opinion, so I'd probably pick up a couple of more manufatured rounds and see what happens.... After the recoil pad change that is.... :smiley_coolpeace:

Yes, I agree. I need to do some more experimenting when I have time. The gun is capable of much better than 2" groups at 100 in my opinion. The recoil pad sort of pisses me off. It's apparent to me now that my gun has the wrong recoil pad on it. It's just my luck, too... Seems like I always find shit wrong with new things that I buy.

I noticed an accuracy improvement keeping the barrel clean. I clean every 2 shots made a difference in groups..

Interesting to know, Milo. I will have to play around with that also. Glad I picked up a 20 gauge Bore Snake.... Those things are the cat's pajamas. Your statement contradicts most everything I've read about shotgun sabots, though. What I've read is that plastic sabots are "wipers," and typically group more consistently from a dirty barrel. I think I need some more range time to really figure this gun out.

 

[Milo]

The issue is the powder and not getting a complete burn out of it. It is very common issue with the larger powder grain sizes you see with shotguns. Best group i got with mine was just a fuzz over an inch but the first 2 bullets cut tue same hole. 100 yard group and 2.75 inch accutips. Try cleaning real quick between shots and see what happens.

 

["J"]

Went out today and hit the range with my buddy Tim, he bought the 220 just in the left handed version... Within 6 rounds he was hitting the same spot as me (I also moved mine one click too get 0 @ 100 yards.... I shot one round and bullseyed and he shot one and almost cut mine..... Good day and he's was really happy with the accuracy of the Savage 220..... Oh and he's using the 2 3/4 acutips as well.....

 

["J"]

Well got a phone call from one of my sons buddies the one who bought the savage 212, seems he needs too sight his in as well.... texted him this morning wanting too know if he wanted too go bit he was @ work.... so off to the range in the morning and sighting in one more before season comes in.... nothing like waiting too the last minute hahaha

 

["J"]

Well one last trip too the range this morning with my sons buddies .... one had picked up a savage 212 and half dozen boxes of the hornadys which he had from his other slug gun.... he said he was going too make them work hahaha well they worked pretty good from the looks of it.... the picture is @ 100 yards.... 2 3/4" rounds.....

 

[Jackalope]

Just posted this in another thread but I'll add it here since you guys were talking about federal shells. I was shooting the 2 3/4 federal Barnes expanders ballistic tips. 3/4 oz slug advertised at 1,900 fps. No sure if I get that many fps but my shoulder would believe it. Lol. The gun is a mossburg 500. Cantilever barrel with a 2-7 Nikon scope. I achieved very close to the ballistics chart for trajectory. Zeroed at 150 she was 4 inches high at 100. I didn't fire a 100 yard group as her 150 was good enough.



Ps. I don't think this barrel has ever seen a brush or patch in the 5 years I've owned It. Probably 40 rounds through it. Lol. It's a mossberg.

 

["J"]

Joe where's it hitting @ 50?

 

[Milo]

Just dropped mine off at my good buds house for him to use this week..i shot 1 shot at 50 and said he may have to own one...