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No bucks during early muzzleloader?

I understand that the January ML is still there. And I realize that they did away with the extra shotgun weekend. I just can't see the reasoning for an antlerless deer only ML season in October, other than to slaughter a herd that is already dwindling. I'm sure most of us that hunt have already seen the decline in deer numbers from, lets say 3-5 yars ago. If people aren't seeing the difference they are not hunting much.
 
I understand that the January ML is still there. And I realize that they did away with the extra shotgun weekend. I just can't see the reasoning for an antlerless deer only ML season in October, other than to slaughter a herd that is already dwindling. I'm sure most of us that hunt have already seen the decline in deer numbers from, lets say 3-5 yars ago. If people aren't seeing the difference they are not hunting much.

Because the DNR still wants to kill does to appease insurance company lobbyist. But want to keep their bucks to try and hold on to their reputation as a bug buck state. The biggest thing they're overlooking is all of this bucks fell out of a doe at some point. Kill the does. So goes the bucks.
 
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i understand that the january ml is still there. And i realize that they did away with the extra shotgun weekend. I just can't see the reasoning for an antlerless deer only ml season in october, other than to slaughter a herd that is already dwindling. I'm sure most of us that hunt have already seen the decline in deer numbers from, lets say 3-5 yars ago. If people aren't seeing the difference they are not hunting much.

bingo!!
 
The more I think of this early gun season, the more I despise it. It may not be as bad on private land, but for public land hunters it really is going to throw the entire rest of the season off. Just one more way Ohio public land hunters get the shaft in Ohio.
 
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The more I think of this early gun season, the more I despise it. It may not be as bad on private land, but for public land hunters it really is going to throw the entire rest of the season off. Just one more way Ohio public land hunters get the shaft in Ohio.

I was reading a thing yesterday that said resident use of public land has plummeted. But NR use has skyrocketed. I think the DNR sells like 40k NR licenses now and the majority of them hunt public land. They've noticed a marked increase of complaints about overcrowding from residents hunting public land.
 
Got this in an email today
hio hunters have the opportunity to participate in a new antlerless-only deer muzzleloader season Oct. 12-13, according to the Ohio Department of Natural Resources (ODNR).

It is legal to hunt antlerless deer statewide with a muzzleloader or bow during the two-day season. No bucks may be harvested regardless of hunting implement. Antlerless deer include deer without antlers and deer with antlers less than 3 inches in length. All hunters are required to wear a vest, coat, jacket or coveralls that are either solid hunter orange or camouflage hunter orange.

Hunters will be able to use antlerless permits and either-sex permits during the two-day season. Hunting hours are 30 minutes before sunrise to 30 minutes after sunset.

This muzzleloader hunt encourages early antlerless harvest. Reducing the deer population early in the hunting season means that more resources will be available for the surviving herd later in the winter. Harvesting does early should make for a more intense rut by encouraging buck movement.

A new tagging procedure administered by the ODNR Division of Wildlife requires hunters to make their own game tag to attach to a deer. Game tags can be made of any material (cardboard, plastic, paper, etc.) as long as it contains the hunter's name, date, time and county of the kill. Go to the Deer Hunting Resources page at wildohio.com for more information on changes to the game check process.

All hunters must report their deer harvest using the automated game-check system. Hunters have three options to complete the game check:

• Online at ohiogamecheck.com;
• Call 877-TAG-ITOH (824-4864);
• Visit a license agent. A list of agents can be found at wildohio.com or by calling 800-WILDLIFE.

Game-check transactions are available online and by seven days a week, including holidays. Landowners exempt from purchasing a deer permit, and other people not required to purchase a deer permit, cannot use the 877-TAG-ITOH option.

The ODNR Division of Wildlife remains committed to properly managing Ohio's deer populations through a combination of regulatory and programmatic changes. Progress toward reducing locally abundant herds can be expected. Strides have been made to reduce deer herds in many counties closer to target levels.

Ohio hunters are encouraged to hunt more does this season to help the needy in their area. The ODNR Division of Wildlife is working with Farmers and Hunters Feeding the Hungry (FHFH) to help pay for the processing of donated venison. Hunters who donate their deer to a food bank are not required to pay the processing cost as long as funding for the effort lasts. More information about this program can be found online at fhfh.org.

Deer hunting in Ohio continues to be a popular activity for many who enjoy the outdoors. Ohio hunters checked 218,910 deer during the 2012-2013 season. Ohio ranks fifth nationally in resident hunters and 11th in the number of jobs associated with hunting-related industries. Hunting has a more than $853 million economic impact in Ohio through the sale of equipment, fuel, food, lodging and more, according to the National Shooting Sports Foundation's Hunting in America: An Economic Force for Conservation publication.

ODNR ensures a balance between wise use and protection of our natural resources for the benefit of all. Visit the ODNR website at ohiodnr.gov.
 
I was reading a thing yesterday that said resident use of public land has plummeted. But NR use has skyrocketed. I think the DNR sells like 40k NR licenses now and the majority of them hunt public land. They've noticed a marked increase of complaints about overcrowding from residents hunting public land.

I can attest to that. Drive anywhere on public land in eastern Ohio during the month of November and you will be outnumbered 10:1 if you have Ohio plates. That is not an exaggeration. When I hunted Vinton last year, all 3 of the buttholes I had to deal with were from different states. Michigan, New Jersey and West Virginia
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I've seen an awful lot of people state they won't be participating in this doe only weekend. Do you think there will actually be much impact? My pre-season prediction is there will be very few deer killed. Sadly, those killed will be all antlerless, but I don't think the number will be high. Then again, it will be a great opportunity to get kids and girlfriends/wives out with the relatively nice weather. It will be interesting to see how it all shapes up at the end of the season. I really think trading the bonus gun for early doe-muzzy is a net gain for those of us hoping to see the herd rebound a bit. I'd rather just see them both nonexistent, but I'll take what I can get.
 
The confusion over this must be pretty serious. I received an email today from the ODW stating that the early muzzy season was doe only.
 
I've seen an awful lot of people state they won't be participating in this doe only weekend. Do you think there will actually be much impact? My pre-season prediction is there will be very few deer killed. Sadly, those killed will be all antlerless, but I don't think the number will be high. Then again, it will be a great opportunity to get kids and girlfriends/wives out with the relatively nice weather. It will be interesting to see how it all shapes up at the end of the season. I really think trading the bonus gun for early doe-muzzy is a net gain for those of us hoping to see the herd rebound a bit. I'd rather just see them both nonexistent, but I'll take what I can get.

I think it will be. For it to be a gain there has to be less than about 9k killed. Which is how many does we're killed on average for bonus gun. I'm thinking around 5k. The key will be the leaves / corn / and heat. Those factors will keep the numbers low for this to work out like I think it will.