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Proposed '22/23 Deer Hunting Regs

Jackalope

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In 2007 there were 28,000 deer vehicle accidents in ohio. For the last several years that has averaged 12-15,000. Since 2007 there has been a substantial increase of licensed drivers and vehicles on Ohio roads. I could look ot up but I believe there was about a 3%per year increase with about 4.7 million total in 2016.

The fact remains that the deer population today is less than roughly half of what it was before the DNR started the decimation program around 2007. Insurance companies are happy as a clam at high tide. With the average claim payout for a DVA of $4,100 that's a savings of roughly 57 million dollars PER YEAR in avoided payouts in ohio alone. Say. Has anyone insurance gone down since 2008???

It's pretty easy to see who wags the tail at the DNR and it's not hunters. Hunters were sold out over a decade ago to shore up the profits of insurance companies. Over the last 10 years it's not a stretch to say companies like nationwide and state farm have saved over half a billion dollars by getting the ODNR to convince hunters we have "too many deer".. In order to make up for the lost revinue at the ODNR after they skull fucked the population they raised the cost of licenses and tags to balance the books on the backs of hunters.

Proofs in the pudding and I screamed about it until I was blue in the face back then.

This part isn't about anyone here as I think we have the best group of informed hunters out there. But more in reference to hunters as a whole. Tonk was right that as a collective we're just a bunch of tools, or did he say a tool. Either way the implied intent was we're too stupid to even see the big picture. Shake a bucket of grain and we'll load right up on that trailer bound for the slaughterhouse. But hey, now we can use these cool straight walled rifles right, yippie, all aboard.
 
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Bigcountry40

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But now a chance at a velvet buck and not have to travel to Kentucky. People are gonna flock.
Once a velvet buck is killed what exactly must be given to the ODNR just the Head? Is the hunter allowed to take that meat from the cwd area to a processor some where else in the state? My point is a lot of hunters may like the idea of killing ahot weather buck, but if the hunters have can't drop the deer off to a processor or have access to a cooler to hang the deer, they won't want to do all the work. But how many hunters traveling up to these 3 counties will be as informed/educated as us or care? Hot weather hunting for big game is nothing but work once the animal is harvested, I don't think alot of Ohio hunters will be up for it, probably learn that lesson after the fact.
 

giles

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What makes you think that it will stop at those 3 counties? Plenty of ohio hunters pay the NR fees to go to Kentucky. I also think the state will like what it sees.
 

Bigcountry40

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What makes you think that it will stop at those 3 counties? Plenty of ohio hunters pay the NR fees to go to Kentucky. I also think the state will like what it sees.
So you think that Ohio will potentially open Archery Sept 1 state wide with nothing to do with cwd, correct? If there is no cwd head or processing restrictions and then yes it will become popular, because deer can be taken anywhere and placed in coolers, if you can't transport deer and they have to be boned before transport popularity diminishes.
 

Quantum673

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BigCountry40 - How many hunters in Ohio will travel to those counties to try and get that velvet buck? I think this will really increase the pressure in that area for those early weeks.
 

jagermeister

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BigCountry40 - How many hunters in Ohio will travel to those counties to try and get that velvet buck? I think this will really increase the pressure in that area for those early weeks.

Id say increasing pressure is probably part of the plan. Going to be increased baiting as well, makes sense huh.
This thought of increased pressure makes the assumption that everyone will just flock to those counties and have no problem getting hunting permission. It’s not any easier to get permission there than it is in the rest of the state. I think there will be a bump in pressure… sure. But I don’t think it’s going to be anything that makes a measurable difference on the deer population. Time will tell.
 

Bigcountry40

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This thought of icnreased pressure makes the assumption that everyone will just flock to those counties and have no problem getting hunting permission. It’s not any easier to get permission there than it is in the rest of the state. I think there will be a bump in pressure… sure. But I don’t think it’s going to be anything that makes a measurable difference on the deer population. Time will tell.
Too add onto this, woods in Wyandot, Hardin and Marion are not like eastern, central or southern ohio woods, they are small, flat and surrounded by ag fields (especially Wyandot), these woods can't handle tons of pressure and the corn will be up at that time. Sometimes you can go a week or two without seeing a deer in western ohio (which I consider Crawford county and west) and early season if you get busted your hunts over for that day. If deer carcasses must be boned out before transport out of the county, it will deter a lot of hunters from attempting. I don't see much of a change on private land.
 
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giles

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Who hunts early season bucks over corn fields? Green bean fields are the ticket!

I said I wasn't going to mention it as I didn't want to plant the seed, but I'm gonna say it. The locals are gonna get screwed here. These areas are gonna get leased up. Population will then explode and the area will get expanded.
 

Bigcountry40

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Who hunts early season bucks over corn fields? Green bean fields are the ticket!

I said I wasn't going to mention it as I didn't want to plant the seed, but I'm gonna say it. The locals are gonna get screwed here. These areas are gonna get leased up. Population will then explode and the area will get expanded.
What if you only have permission to hunt a woods surrounded by corn??? ;)
 

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Who hunts early season bucks over corn fields? Green bean fields are the ticket!

I said I wasn't going to mention it as I didn't want to plant the seed, but I'm gonna say it. The locals are gonna get screwed here. These areas are gonna get leased up. Population will then explode and the area will get expanded.

By the time season comes in the deer were always out of the beans. They tend to leave when the beans turn silver about a month before season. I dont know what it's actually called, they're still green and fully mature but when the wind blows they have a silvery shine to them. Maybe it's the hairs on the leaves. But when I saw that I knew the deer were going to the corn.
 

giles

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By the time season comes in the deer were always out of the beans. They tend to leave when the beans turn silver about a month before season. I dont know what it's actually called, they're still green and fully mature but when the wind blows they have a silvery shine to them. Maybe it's the hairs on the leaves. But when I saw that I knew the deer were going to the corn.
NW Ohio crops are generally 2-4 weeks behind the southern side of things. They were about even last year and that was the first time in the 9 harvest I've been living in SW Ohio. Spring rain kept us out of the fields.
 

jagermeister

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Who hunts early season bucks over corn fields? Green bean fields are the ticket!

I said I wasn't going to mention it as I didn't want to plant the seed, but I'm gonna say it. The locals are gonna get screwed here. These areas are gonna get leased up. Population will then explode and the area will get expanded.
Ain’t nobody going to lease up a bunch of small, patchy woodlots within the CWD DSA zone in Wyandot or surrounding counties, just to shoot a velvet buck. I think this is all getting blown out of proportion. The Sept 1st opener is simply to encourage folks to shoot a buck and to have a better chance at success doing so, since mature bucks are the predominant carrier of CWD. The state wants samples. This is their attempt at getting more.
 
The draw to a velvet buck might be there since so early but I would imagine the results for the DNR will be disappointing and they will end up having to hire shooters as they did in Michigan at one point. People were not in a hurry to fill their freezer with animals that might have CWD.
 

Bigcountry40

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The draw to a velvet buck might be there since so early but I would imagine the results for the DNR will be disappointing and they will end up having to hire shooters as they did in Michigan at one point. People were not in a hurry to fill their freezer with animals that might have CWD.
I'm going to michigan this year for the early antlerless firearm in mid sept, my in laws property is in the tuberculosis zone, someone wants to come with me let me know always looking for a someone to ride along, and spoon with
 

Bigcountry40

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Wait a year and it’ll change….
One of properties I hunt planted beans two years in a row and had me pissed, I think it was due to excessive rain the one year and he couldnt get corn in. sometimes the wheat comes out and they are able to double crop with beans in it essentially putting beans in the field two hunting seasons in a row. But generally speaking you are correct