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2019-nCoV (Coronavirus)

There is no logic and when it first hit no one had a fucking clue on how to treat it. Drs are learning through trial and error even right now. Drs have killed many by placing on vents that shouldn’t have but that was “best practices” at that time.

Trump was mocking the stupid by saying drink or inject bleach. If you can’t see that, you are lucky you didn’t do it or have survived from it.

In the big picture ain’t no one yet has definitive knowledge on treatment, how it’s transmitted or when you are actually contagious. It’s all a learning process as the medical field gains knowledge as time passes.
 
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Page 188 #3,755 - notice the link? Notice the source?

So what, you think Trump should be telling me how to do my job? Okay fine - Idk if you have kids but should you come into my office. I want you to bring the President's advice for treating your child and I will follow it against my training and the guidelines set by NIH/FDA/AAP (pediatrics).etc

Also, if you are married and your wife is pregnant and feels sick, I will offer her some thalidomide -- I heard it does well with morning sickness.
Wait, so you don’t want to treat people that follow the president? Or that believe in other treatments? I’m confused, but it sure sounds like you don’t want to do your job because of someone’s beliefs or political followings.
 
Do you people ever listen to Trump? I actually do, and never heard him say to drink bleach. I did hear him talk about the possibility of using UV light internally- which he was blasted for. And then my cousin told me it was a viable option to look at... I mean who woulda ever thunk it plausible to shoot a laser into a persons eye to improve vision? Or maybe you all are talking about the dumb broad in AZ that treated her husband and herself with pool chemicals? Yeah, Darwin May have been right.

Geezer, Mom and Dad are improving daily. They went for a walk last night. Weak and worn but improving. My brother made it back to work last week. Been a long road for him. He gave em the required 40 hours and went home on time everyday. I think he’s done with going above and beyond.
 
We are still using ventilators ...
Certainly not as they were being used two months ago. Steroids are also used now, with good effect.
Not that it makes any difference, but I’ll just take the time to let you know simply for my own piece of mind, I’m not a big fan of your tone. Feel free to point out that I know nothing, I’ll not even argue... but I think you’re a dick, no amount of arguing on your part will change my mind. Keep up the good work, I’ll hope my children never need to visit your facility.
 
I won't wear a mask because I don't like to be told what to do, and I don't like to be told what not to do. I also look at the data and this is no more scary than the flu, CHF, pneumonia, diabetes, etc. Dont like it? Keep your distance and wash your hands. I do the same sans mask.
 
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I just read through about 8 pages to get caught up. My thought is if you are at risk or just worried about exposure, stay home. Have groceries delivered by a delivery service, friends, family etc. and then implement joes cleaning procedure from the start of this thread. I don’t fault any person for wanting to wear a mask but based on what I’ve seen so far regarding the effectiveness of them I don’t see the point. I refuse to accept the path we as a nation are paving for all of our children. I know my boys will have to struggle in some aspects of life but with the narrative we are writing they won’t just struggle at times, they will have to fight for traction with every step they take. I don’t have the perfect solution and even if I did there would still be people who hate it. Let the people willing to take the risk take it without fear of persecution or prosecution and save this economy. 🤘🏻
 
Just seen this on The Facebook. Not sure on the validity
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It was just an expression - sorry - not directed at anyone - i am just having trouble proscessing why wearing a mask in public under the circumstances is an infrignment of your rights - i just don't feel that way - guess i don't measure up - i try and stop post n on this but then feel compelled - guess i got too much time on my hands

How are your folks and brother doing - hope they are well

Keep posting Geezer. Nothing wrong with different opinions. Plus, you are in a different category than most of us. I'd be way more cautious if I had another 30yrs under my belt as well.

Doc- good luck. I realize you are working directly in this field. I have friends and family working the front lines too. Even some of them are questioning what they are being told. Still following orders, but asking more questions. I'll wear my mask if around people. Been doing a pretty good job of simply NOT being around people. Always was OCD on hand washing, so this is no different for me. I might recommend starting on page one of this thread. You might find there have been some swings in opinion as this has progressed. I think people are respecting what it is for the most part. More cautious than before. If it is my time to go, I'm not afraid. Doesn't mean I'm trying to expedite the process. Doesn't mean we need to agree either.
 
Too what extent? What’s the expected long term issues with doing that? Asking as a lay person.

I will use an analogy, it helps the students understand so I use them a lot but bear with me

When the disease progresses to your upper and lower respiratory tracts, breathing diminishes and the virus seems to start to affect your alveoli and branch. structures. So you start to loose oxygen which is serious and can lead to organ failure -- commonly acute respiratory distress syndrome which can then lead to card. and other other failures in short time in sufficient oxygen isn't coursing the body. So we have no other options at this time but to get oxygen into your system through ventilation. You are correct in that there are issues and some people it is not enough and promotes stress on the body that may exacerbate the condition but we have no other options for some patients. Post-ICU syndrome is something we have to consider and in some cases, even this doesn't seem to work properly. It's all very odd. Patients will do fine and then within hours, are unstable.

Wait, so you don’t want to treat people that follow the president? Or that believe in other treatments? I’m confused, but it sure sounds like you don’t want to do your job because of someone’s beliefs or political followings.

I said if the president knows more than the medical agencies he doubts from who we get our treatment courses, then he can send you instructions for treatment and I will follow them. I am not saying I will not treat Trump supporters, what I said was if they believe he knows more than Fauci and Redford then give me his treatment plans next time you come to the clinic.


"I won't wear a mask because I don't like to be told what to do, and I don't like to be told what not to do. I also look at the data and this is no more scary than the flu, CHF, pneumonia, diabetes, etc. Dont like it? Keep your distance and wash your hands. I do the same sans mask."

If I told you that you carry a gene that gives you 100% chance of having prostate cancer and there is a treatment we can do and a food you have to give up thereafter, would you do it? Or are you against being told you WILL get cancer.
-- important -- alike families who won't vax their children. IDGAF about you - I care about the children who cannot get the vaccine due to medical conditions and shouldn't have to worry about Mumps and Measles since it was basically eradicated but bc this movement it is returning in the US. It is the people who are high-risk and they come into contact with you, while they are masked, and get it. The research has shown (real non pharmaceutical non Trump non whatever) studies that have shown if someone infected is not wearing a mask and you are wearing a mask but the common cloth one -- you are still at fairly high risk of getting infected.

Why do you think masks are common in many populous Asian countries, because they proved it can drastically lower viral spreading.
 
FYI I came on here to see if anyone has had their fishing interrupted by COVID and instead this happened.

If you only knew the stress of being right in front of people grasping for air or positioned with a tube down their throat you would understand why I have to speak out. It is like a bad film where everyone is becoming a cyborg or something. So many wires, alarms, families and staff crying everywhere. It is freaky.

I am lucky I haven't gotten it because I am fat and not the healthiest person but every morning I wonder if it is the day.
 
FYI I came on here to see if anyone has had their fishing interrupted by COVID and instead this happened.

If you only knew the stress of being right in front of people grasping for air or positioned with a tube down their throat you would understand why I have to speak out. It is like a bad film where everyone is becoming a cyborg or something. So many wires, alarms, families and staff crying everywhere. It is freaky.

I am lucky I haven't gotten it because I am fat and not the healthiest person but every morning I wonder if it is the day.
How often do you guys get tested for it?
 
The facts are, if you don’t know the proper way to don and doff PPE the laymen person is exposing themselves to cross contamination 10 fold. Even happens in the responder/medical field, even worse when someone from the streets has no idea.

I don’t mean to sound like a shit in my post. I may have upset some. I’m not an anti-vaxer, Tin foil hat wearer, dummy off the street nor a sheep, I try to find the middle ground and balance in my life, whether that be faith or fear. I tend to feel like I control my destiny here on the soil. I try to do best practices if they seem sensible to me.

Everyone is entitle to their opinion, belief and faith and feelings. I’ve enjoyed reading this thread and formed my own opinion of where I stand. Being 53 and w a household of family, I have the responsibility to protect me and mines. We wear face mask if we feel our health could be at risk in certain places. Most time I keep my distance and we are homebodies so not a ton of interaction w the type of people that could jeopardize what My intentions of comfort. Now my 20 something age kids throw a monkey wrench in my system. They are my weak links. They young, healthy and generally DGAF and think this is a farce. All the while we are taking care of my father of almost 82 years old.

So like me and most others the pandemic has taken a toll of my emotions and feelings. I’ve gone from fear to fuck it several times. The uncertainly, which hangs over our heads, I feel is what most people fear. As of now the world is still guessing what’s gonna happen and along with what is the best treatment. Herd immunity isn’t working and there is 17 strains. Only 1% has had it here with 260,000 people in my parish (county) and the death rate is way down passed the decimal point.

It’s real! Needs to be respected like any real disease. That doesn’t mean run and hide in your closet. It means to act responsibly, until the covid is correctly diagnosed and known spread measures are true we can over come this. I see it the same as the flu, no more no less.

So now you know, triple douche mic drop lol
 
FYI I came on here to see if anyone has had their fishing interrupted by COVID and instead this happened.

If you only knew the stress of being right in front of people grasping for air or positioned with a tube down their throat you would understand why I have to speak out. It is like a bad film where everyone is becoming a cyborg or something. So many wires, alarms, families and staff crying everywhere. It is freaky.

I am lucky I haven't gotten it because I am fat and not the healthiest person but every morning I wonder if it is the day.

Question. Where were you and the rest of your heroes when Dr Fauci was standing there on TV telling Americans not to wear masks and that masks should be saved for medical people. Where were you when the entire health of the American public was being put in jeopardy because the private hospitals you work for put profits ahead of preparedness resulting in them being unprepared for what people have been warning for years was likely to happen. Where were you when the American people were being blatantly lied to about the effectiveness of masks so that hospitals could suck up supply. This isn't a hoax, Fauci admitted that the reason he pushed for people not to wear masks was because the healyhcare system didn't have enough. The CDC backed it up with a bunch of BS propaganda about how masks don't protect you and the only reason doctors wear them is to keep their germs away from others. Yet now you expect people to believe what those same people have to say today. All that talk about flattening the curve to get numbers below medical capacity. Absolutly no talk about needing to massively increase the medical capacity. A mask is not a solution, a mask only prolongs the inevitable. Either we create a vaccine, or enough people get it to establish herd immunity, and neither has been scientifically proven to provide a viable immunity. This a highly courageous virus that has disasterous consequences for a small portion of the population, despite our best efforts people will die, the vast majority will not. Here in America we have been blessed for a long time with our ability to extend the life of individuals with chronic health conditions well beyond their past life expectancy. Diseases like hepatitis, lupus, asthma, and obesiety related diseases like high blood pressure, conjestive heart failure etc are all very treatable conditions and decades have been added to these people lives. Unfortunately a virus like this doesn't give a shit about out ability to treat common diseases and prolong life, it will kill people. It sucks, but sucky shit has happend many many times since humans have existed on this earth. This sucks, but life will go on.

If you need me to help reset your password Eric I can send you one from your old account.
 
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