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2019-nCoV (Coronavirus)

Hedgelj said:
You're also both right and wrong.

There are different types of RNA and they all have different jobs within our cells. Short version of how we get proteins (if you want the longer version look up transcription and translation of DNA into protein). The DNA gets unzipped and then the DNA sequence for the protein gets transcripted into m(messenger)RNA. The mRNA can leave the nucleus and get out to a ribosome where proteins are made. Inside the ribosome the mRNA is translated by tRNA into a protein chain. The proteins then obtain their shapes based upon the chemistry of the different amino acids in the chain.

The vaccine gets into your cell and tells it to make a protein. This protein is for the spike protein of covid. Then your body makes its immune response to this "foreign" protein which then allows it to have an immune response when the actual covid comes in with this spike protein.

I would debate/argue that it doesn't hijack any system. The mRNA goes into the cell and the cell uses it just like any other mRNA strand that comes to exist inside a cell. mRNA has no input into the formulation of your own DNA.

Cancer has many different causes and this could get in depth easily AND its not established and verified science, they are still studying it or else we'd have cures. Inside your DNA there are oncogenes (ones that cause cancer) and anti-oncogenes (ones that stop cancer) and then there are other genes that have other effects that can increase or decrease your susceptibility to cancer. If an oncogene gets turned on and the other genes don't turn it off then you get cancer.

There have been other attempts prior to Covid for mRNA vaccines. However, they didn't work and had minimal effect. So one of my questions with the whole process has been what changed and how did they get it to work this time......or was the amount of money enough to finally overcome these issues? I dunno but its been one of my main skeptical points for the vaccine.

There are other RNA viruses. Examples include some of the hepatitis viruses, rabies, mumps, MERS, influenza, etc. They all work in similar fashion in that they only contain RNA so they need to "hijack" the cell to cause infection yet we aren't seeing any major health concerns after contracting these diseases in regards to messed up DNA. So why is everyone up in arms about this vaccine?
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Thanks bud. I appreciate the info. I believe we're both saying the same thing except for my statement about how the synthetic mRNA "hijacks" the process used to create proteins. My use of the word hijack was in reference to synthetic mRNA being used to trick the ribosome into creating something it doesn't normally produce or have any idea how to produce naturally. They're hijacking the process to achieve a desired result. Perhaps "hack" would have been a better term. Like hackers they're introducing instruction to a machine in order to accomplish an output that is contrary to the normal use of the system.
 
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Jackalope said:
The is bud. I appreciate the info. I believe we're both saying the same thing with the exception of my statement about how the synthetic mRNA "hijacks" the process used to create proteins. My use of the word hijack was in reference to synthetic mRNA being used to trick the ribosome into creating something it doesn't normally produce or have any idea how to produce naturally. They're hijacking the process to achieve a desired result. Perhaps "hack" would have been a better term. Like hackers they're ntroducing instruction to a machine in order to accomplish an output that is contrary to the normal use of the system.
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I can buy that the terminology is what brought me into the debate. Its also nice to debate without name calling, strawman arguments or ad hominens being tossed around and both of us remaining friends. Holy shit, is it still possible?
 
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There is no test for the delta variant, correct?

And the Covid-19 test, “may” not show a positive delta case if this variant mutates enough, right?

How do they know that delta is 10x more contagious than covid?

Why tf are they bringing back mask mandates? (I know the answer to this, but not the other three).
 
triple_duece said:
So far their symptoms are sinus, cough, tiredness and maybe a very low grade fever on and off. My luck will have me on a vent cussing everyone lol. We will be fine thanks
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Well shit I could have had it two weeks ago then. Same symptoms, just figured it was some form of kid germs. I was on a high dose of C, Zinc, and Magnesium trying to heal that burn faster. A few days later my wife got it but she was down for about two days but symptomatic for about 4. I got a PCR test the day before going to Ohio to make sure I wasn't carrying but it had been about 5 days since I got over it. My oldest came home from school Wednesday and was fine, about 7 he spiked a 103.7 fever. Standard Tylenol and Motrin brought it down. The next morning that kid woke up fit as a fiddle. How the hell does a kid spike almost a 104 fever then pop back up like Tylenol was Narcan. 😅

I hope the family keeps doing well with it. Any taste or smell issues. I'm reading that isn't very common with Delta.
 
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If this doesn't send up massive red fucking flags with any doctor worth their salt then nothing ever will.

75% of those infected were vaccinated.
80% of those hospitalized were vaccinated.
274 of 347 breakthrough were symptomatic.

But don't worry. The CDC said the data was "insufficient" to draw a conclusion on the effectiveness of the vaccine.

The hell it is. Data is data and that shit doesn't look good. What that looks like to me is a variant that has adapted to circumvent a vaccine, likely as a result of the vaccine. Not only that, it appears to impact the vaccinated worse than the unvaccinated.

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www.cnbc.com

CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated

The CDC data published Friday was based on 469 cases of Covid associated with multiple summer events and large public gatherings in July in Massachusetts.
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