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It's a nice change to see him simply acknowledging the problem much less publicly addressing the possibility that it exists in public. A drastic change from the past where hunters, weather, and acorns were always to blame and we had the biggest herd we've ever had.
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I'm not done by a long shot..
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
We're not just crying....Many of us are from all over the State and are experiencing the same thing. I have a feeling they know it TOO.
Nice to see an article acknowledging something beyond "estimated herd size" and season totals. I wonder which website this guy was checking out to determine hunter's opinions? hmmm. . .
Good thing you got your boots off Milo. Might need to put on your chest waders! lmao
Ha, that article almost seems to be aimed at this thread and all the questions that were raised.
Agreed.
I read thru that thing 3 times, and now I need a fuggin aspirin, my head hurts.
First I read it as a hunter seeing less deer in rural areas, and saw it as a smokescreen and a backdoor answer to this thread (and any others that might be out there on other sites).
Second, I tried reading it from the point of view of a non-hunter...and realized at the end that I had no better understanding of a complicated issue...or what the issue even really is or who is on what side.
Third time, I just read it to see if I could catch something I missed that would throw some light on the whole subject from the writer's perspective.
I find the writer's tone condescending and dismissive.
Exactly. I read it over a few times yesterday and came away with the same thought. The word count was sufficient to fill in some space on the last page of the Sport's section. Nothing more, nothing less. A kind of confusing article that leave a reading wondering what was the point of all that?
However, when I put on my tinfoil hat and conspiracy theory glasses, the two headlines in the outdoors section convey a message. :smiley_bodyguard:
Milo
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similar to ODNR's attitude..go figure right? i think it is intentionally confusing...
Ohiosam
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Here's what I take away from the article.
Tonk is frustrated with the urban areas where hunting is difficult/impossible. I believe that is causing public/political pressure to keep harvests high even though hunting has little affect on those areas.
We might be moving towards more county by county regulations.
Expect less information from the ODNR regarding herd size. They have hung their hat on several indicators of herd size, now that those indicators are showing a smaller herd in many places the ODNR response is to limit our access to info.
Tag sales are dropping. Personally I think most of that comes from guys who buy tags as they fill them. They kill less deer so they buy less tags. The other cause is it's too easy to print multiple tags when you buy tags online. Tag a deer till you get it home then use a copy of the same tag the next day. I still believe the change in the $15 tags in zone C during gun week is financially motivated.
Tonk is frustrated with the urban areas where hunting is difficult/impossible. I believe that is causing public/political pressure to keep harvests high even though hunting has little affect on those areas.
We might be moving towards more county by county regulations.
Expect less information from the ODNR regarding herd size. They have hung their hat on several indicators of herd size, now that those indicators are showing a smaller herd in many places the ODNR response is to limit our access to info.
Tag sales are dropping. Personally I think most of that comes from guys who buy tags as they fill them. They kill less deer so they buy less tags. The other cause is it's too easy to print multiple tags when you buy tags online. Tag a deer till you get it home then use a copy of the same tag the next day. I still believe the change in the $15 tags in zone C during gun week is financially motivated.
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i disagree strongly. those herd numbers are not included in the totals. they are irrelevant to the big over all goal. its easy to throw back at these towns that their own regulations forbid managing the deer there and they can deal with it how they see fit. The city of granville is dealing with it and guess what, there are still people hunting there with nusiance tags right now..
Ohiosam
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You and I know they aren't included. But that is where the majority of the voters, politicians and insurance executives live. They see deer all over the place, they eat their shrubs and jump in front of their cars. Most politicians aren't too bright, they probably will never look at ODNR numbers, let alone with a critical eye, so they pressure the ODNR to keep limits high. .
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I don't see how decimating the herd in fayette county has any bearing on city of columbus deer. I am skeptical of the ODNR but I don't think they have made that dumb of a leap. Normal everyday folks like coonskinner don't care about deer in general and they NEVER effect their lives. I agree most politicians are not to bright but i rarely ever hear them too concerned over the deer herd size with having their hand out.. so why aren't they touting the granville program for the best answer to these urban issues?
Ohiosam
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It has nothing to do with it, that is exactly the point. But that doesn't stop pressure being put on Tonk and the ODNR. Just because the politicians aren't making public speeches about deer doesn't mean when there's a meeting with ODNR department heads that the subject isn't discussed and "suggestions" about department policy aren't expressed.
As far as nuisance permits go I believe a few years ago there was a change in policy. Prior to that there was a percentage of complaints that were rejected. The last 5 or so years almost every compliant results in permits being issued.
As far as nuisance permits go I believe a few years ago there was a change in policy. Prior to that there was a percentage of complaints that were rejected. The last 5 or so years almost every compliant results in permits being issued.
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